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Besides, it's common knowledge Gumshoe would love Edgeworth before Phoenix.
I yell "OBJECTION!" in the court sometimes!
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LoG wrote:
Gumshoe love Phoenix long time *grumbles*
Well, according to 3-3, Phoenix sure doesn't love him back. >_>
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musouka wrote:
LoG wrote:
Gumshoe love Phoenix long time *grumbles*
Well, according to 3-3, Phoenix sure doesn't love him back. >_>
I agree with you on general principle, but now I'm curious >> What happens in 3-3?
And yes LoG, if Gumshoe was gay he would so be crushing over Edgey, not Phoenix ^^;
...Now I have the urge to write a rant about one-sided Gummy->Edgey, but I can't see it mutual so I don't think I will >>
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SilverZephyr wrote:
I agree with you on general principle, but now I'm curious >> What happens in 3-3?
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musouka wrote:
SilverZephyr wrote:
I agree with you on general principle, but now I'm curious >> What happens in 3-3?
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Ah, thanks for the info.
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SilverZephyr wrote:
musouka wrote:
LoG wrote:
Gumshoe love Phoenix long time *grumbles*
Well, according to 3-3, Phoenix sure doesn't love him back. >_>
I agree with you on general principle, but now I'm curious >> What happens in 3-3?
And yes LoG, if Gumshoe was gay he would so be crushing over Edgey, not Phoenix ^^;
...Now I have the urge to write a rant about one-sided Gummy->Edgey, but I can't see it mutual so I don't think I will >>
I suppose Edgeworth would be good because he'd order Gumshoe around, and he's pretty used to that.
But with Phoenix, I ahve a feeling it would be a more mutual and caring relationship. They're both pretty similar, aside from Gumshoe's outlook being much more optimistic versus Phoenix's sarcastic one.
They could be poor together! I just can't imagine Gumshoe being able to deal with all that Emotional Baggage Edgeworth has to offer.
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musouka wrote:
Well, as soon as you figure out how Edgeworth acts when he has a crush, then we can talk. All I know is that he's acted the same way around Maya that he has Phoenix and Will Powers, and I can't see him having a "crush" on either of those three.
Huh? Maya told them both to do something nice. They both did it. I don't see the difference, to be honest. Yes, Maya pushes Edgeworth to become a better person, but that's because HE wants to be better, not for Maya herself.
Edgeworth never tries to escape Maya, he just makes no effort to engage her unless she's already there. When he's talking to Phoenix he's never "hey, where's Maya?" Hell, he didn't even seem to notice she wasn't with Phoenix until Phoenix told him she had been kidnapped. That doesn't speak much to me of a crush on his part.
Huh? Maya told them both to do something nice. They both did it. I don't see the difference, to be honest. Yes, Maya pushes Edgeworth to become a better person, but that's because HE wants to be better, not for Maya herself.
Edgeworth never tries to escape Maya, he just makes no effort to engage her unless she's already there. When he's talking to Phoenix he's never "hey, where's Maya?" Hell, he didn't even seem to notice she wasn't with Phoenix until Phoenix told him she had been kidnapped. That doesn't speak much to me of a crush on his part.
Para 1:
Para 2:
I don't think we'll ever find the motive, I see it as him trying to impress/obey Maya. He may also do it for himself, but I'm sure if anyone else had told him to then he wouldn't have, or it would have taken him longer to accept it.
Para 3:
I think it shows how he doesn't want to bring attention to the fact he feels something for her. Maybe he himself doesn't want to accpet it? Maybe he think of it as a weakness in his character and doesn't regarde love as a normal feeling.
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Liquidzilla wrote:
I don't think we'll ever find the motive, I see it as him trying to impress/obey Maya. He may also do it for himself, but I'm sure if anyone else had told him to then he wouldn't have, or it would have taken him longer to accept it.
The point is that this is a debate thread. There's no issue with liking the couple--again, I like
, which is probably even stranger--but if your argument is that it's "possible"...well, again, a lot of things are possible. Maybe Edgeworth actually hates Maya and just did the thing she asked to shut her up. Maybe Larry and Grossberg had a passionate, off-screen affair in game two. Anything is possible, not all things are plausible, especially with the evidence given.Liquidzilla wrote:
I think it shows how he doesn't want to bring attention to the fact he feels something for her. Maybe he himself doesn't want to accpet it? Maybe he think of it as a weakness in his character and doesn't regarde love as a normal feeling.
You still didn't address the fact that he didn't even notice she wasn't there. I would hope that when you're in love with someone, you would at least notice if they're there or if they aren't.
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musouka wrote:
The point is that this is a debate thread. There's no issue with liking the couple--again, I like , which is probably even stranger--but if your argument is that it's "possible"...well, again, a lot of things are possible. Maybe Edgeworth actually hates Maya and just did the thing she asked to shut her up. Maybe Larry and Grossberg had a passionate, off-screen affair in game two. Anything is possible, not all things are plausible, especially with the evidence given.
You still didn't address the fact that he didn't even notice she wasn't there. I would hope that when you're in love with someone, you would at least notice if they're there or if they aren't.
, which is probably even stranger--but if your argument is that it's "possible"...well, again, a lot of things are possible. Maybe Edgeworth actually hates Maya and just did the thing she asked to shut her up. Maybe Larry and Grossberg had a passionate, off-screen affair in game two. Anything is possible, not all things are plausible, especially with the evidence given.You still didn't address the fact that he didn't even notice she wasn't there. I would hope that when you're in love with someone, you would at least notice if they're there or if they aren't.
I know it's a debating thread, and I knwo theres no issue with the couple. I never said there was did I? Also, I didn't say it wasn't plausable either, I was stating evidence to show how it could work. Larry and Grossy weren't even in GS2 so there's no evidence for or against that claim (except they've never met as far as we know)
I did atually. I was saying about him not drawing attention to the fact he wanted to know where she was.
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Liquidzilla wrote:
I know it's a debating thread, and I knwo theres no issue with the couple. I never said there was did I? Also, I didn't say it wasn't plausable either, I was stating evidence to show how it could work. Larry and Grossy weren't even in GS2 so there's no evidence for or against that claim (except they've never met as far as we know)
I did atually. I was saying about him not drawing attention to the fact he wanted to know where she was.
I did atually. I was saying about him not drawing attention to the fact he wanted to know where she was.
Liquidzilla, again, I don't mean to be harsh, but if you don't think the pairing is "plausible" and you just really like it (which is fine, I have scores of pairings I feel the exact same way about!), I'd post about them in the "Favorite Couples" thread, not here. Debate implies being able to back your positions up, and it is mildly frustrating being asked to respond to "there is the slightest possibility of his motivation being this even though there's no evidence for it."
If Edgeworth "not drawing attention to something" is indicative of special interest on his part, I claim that Edgeworth has a burning desire for the affections of Lotta Hart. He simply didn't draw attention to his feelings for her, either, since that's just the kind of guy he is.
Additionally, you never quite addressed musouka's second point a while back. Maya sparks an interesting response from Edgeworth, but she sparks a similar response from Franziska. Edgeworth is awkward around Maya, but, again, he is awkward in social situations around everybody. Neither of these elements of their relationship are exclusive to them. Their relationship is sweet in that they both are obviously fond of and care for each other, and Maya is so outgoing and social that she pulls out that "awkward" side of Edgeworth. Which may be another reason to enjoy the couple - she's able to push him that hard - but it in and of itself really isn't indicative of present romantic interest at all.
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Liquidzilla, again, I don't mean to be harsh, but if you don't think the pairing is "plausible" and you just really like it (which is fine, I have scores of pairings I feel the exact same way about!), I'd post about them in the "Favorite Couples" thread, not here. Debate implies being able to back your positions up, and it is mildly frustrating being asked to respond to "there is the slightest possibility of his motivation being this even though there's no evidence for it."
If Edgeworth "not drawing attention to something" is indicative of special interest on his part, I claim that Edgeworth has a burning desire for the affections of Lotta Hart. He simply didn't draw attention to his feelings for her, either, since that's just the kind of guy he is.
Additionally, you never quite addressed musouka's second point a while back. Maya sparks an interesting response from Edgeworth, but she sparks a similar response from Franziska. Edgeworth is awkward around Maya, but, again, he is awkward in social situations around everybody. Neither of these elements of their relationship are exclusive to them. Their relationship is sweet in that they both are obviously fond of and care for each other, and Maya is so outgoing and social that she pulls out that "awkward" side of Edgeworth. Which may be another reason to enjoy the couple - she's able to push him that hard - but it in and of itself really isn't indicative of present romantic interest at all.
If Edgeworth "not drawing attention to something" is indicative of special interest on his part, I claim that Edgeworth has a burning desire for the affections of Lotta Hart. He simply didn't draw attention to his feelings for her, either, since that's just the kind of guy he is.
Additionally, you never quite addressed musouka's second point a while back. Maya sparks an interesting response from Edgeworth, but she sparks a similar response from Franziska. Edgeworth is awkward around Maya, but, again, he is awkward in social situations around everybody. Neither of these elements of their relationship are exclusive to them. Their relationship is sweet in that they both are obviously fond of and care for each other, and Maya is so outgoing and social that she pulls out that "awkward" side of Edgeworth. Which may be another reason to enjoy the couple - she's able to push him that hard - but it in and of itself really isn't indicative of present romantic interest at all.
Well, I thought I backed up my claims for you, I did state their was evidence in the game in certain conversations. I never said there was no evidence, only thart I couldn't think of solid proof until I play through the game once again. The evidence was stated a while ago.
The thing with Lotta being different to Maya is that she is barely in the game compared to Maya. She probably barely made an impact on Edgeworth because I don't remember them talking for very long at all. However, Maya talks to Edgeworth through the whole of GS1 and 2 when he's there. I think that should prove the difference.
I thought it was quite different when Edgeworth was around others than when he was with Maya. He seems to be different around Maya than he would with all the others, even Phoenix who he doesn't seem uncomfortable around at all. He doesn't snap at Maya or make comments about her does he? He does that to a few characters (if I remember correctly).
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If you think it's just that she's very loud and inimidating to Edgeworth then you'll not see the potential relationship :p If you see if the otehr way, that he's actually unsure of what to say around her because he cares for her, then you'll have a different opinion.
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Sure, it seems like "Edgey could open for once!", but who's to say that any other pairings with Edgeworth wouldn't result in the same thing? I'm sure someone like Phoenix or even Gumshoe could do that, too.
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another thing i dont get, why are most of the het pairings phoenix/maya?
ya sure mia gets killed off early in the game, but there was a good potental there for those 2 to develop (not taking into acct of mia's past yet)
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That said, I do find Phoenix and Mia to very compatible personally. It doesn't hurt that it reminds me of EdgeworthxLana. PhoenixMia isn't a personal favorite, but I do like it.
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SilverZephyr wrote:
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That said, I do find Phoenix and Mia to very compatible personally. It doesn't hurt that it reminds me of EdgeworthxLana. PhoenixMia isn't a personal favorite, but I do like it.
with that said, i would present to you the evidence of Nick's dependence on her in the toughest spots.
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I <3 kittens they are too damned sexy.
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Raven Darkheart wrote:
if you played the 1st case of AA3, we see that it was also partially because of mia that he became a DEFENSE attorney to begin with
No. It wasn't. He was already planning on becoming a defense attorney long before he met Mia.
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musouka wrote:
Raven Darkheart wrote:
if you played the 1st case of AA3, we see that it was also partially because of mia that he became a DEFENSE attorney to begin with
No. It wasn't. He was already planning on becoming a defense attorney long before he met Mia.
lol youre right i remember now nevermind that part. but the rest of my explanation still stands
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I guess Phoenix is laid back enough not to be intimidated or irritated by her, but I think it'd be harder to swallow if they were actually involved. Mia continues to teach him as much as support him, and I think if she were around more (i.e. alive) that would get tiresome and put a strain on their relationship.
Plus if she were still alive she'd also still be his boss. Inter-office romance never works~~
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Croik wrote:
if she were still alive she'd also still be his boss. Inter-office romance never works~~
haha you would be shocked but it actually DOES work in some cases. the chemistry is there between those 2
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Croik wrote:
Mia doesn't just help, she sometimes leads him around by the nose, spells out the answer, or in other cases refuses to tell him so he can "figure it out on his own."
This sounds an awful lot like my parents...
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Hmm. OTP is EdgeworthxLana but I've already talked about it in this thread and don't want to spam the thread up with my pairing >>; You can pick something.
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It would be funny. :D
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I'm not even TOUCHING that one.
If you wouldn't annihilate me, Musouka would, if Musouka wouldn't, Raelle would, if Realle wouldn't someone else would, although I doubt that was all necessary because pretty much the first person to try would >>;
I don't like P/E. However, my reason for doing so isn't that I don't see why everyone likes it, my reason is that romance is just not a part of the dynamic I see between them. I love their dynamic, it's close, it's deep, but I personally can't see it as romantic although I see why others do. So I really have nothing to argue about it in a real debate. It'd be just me saying "...YEAHWELL. I DON'T LIKE IT." as my argument. It wouldn't get anywhere.
However, if someone else wants to debate it, I'll gladly watch :P
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
THEY'RE NOT GAY OMG IT'S SO GROSS HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT PHOENIX AND EDGEWORTH ARE NOT GAY CAN'T THEY BE JUST FREIDNS WITHOUT FANGIRLS MAKING THEM GAY?@!
SHUT UP IT'S HOT.
Okay, seriously, I do have something planned for later when I'm not doing crazy hours at my job.
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Funk, how dare you. In return I denounce Fran/Adrian. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE SHE'S A LESBIAN YOU SILLY FANBOY EXPLAIN YOURSELF 100% WITH NO ROOM FOR DOUBT NAO. BECAUSE WE USE THE SAME STANDARD WHEN DECIDING IF SOMEONE IS STRAIGHT.
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YOU CAN'T DO IT, CAN YOU!?
I thought not.
We've kinda been through P/E and NokoMitsu, and the other pairings I like don't have much canon interaction so that's hard to aruge other than "I think it'd be hot" (ZENI/OTO~~~~~). Though I will confess I have a soft spot for Aiga->Yuusaku.
Spoiler: "GS3-2"
...Though you can also blame it on this site, with the "Yuusaku drugs and rapes Aiga" manga:
http://www.pavc.ne.jp/~haru-signal/top.htm
Other than that, the only pairing I dislike strongly enough to mention is Karma/Miles, just because...and this sounds strange, but I don't think it's smart or subtle enough for Karma. He spent 15 years setting up a plan to break the son of his former rival. I think the idea of seducing or outright violating teeny Miles would be too obvious to appeal to him.
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Croik wrote:
I challenge anyone here not to love and adore YuuMare.
YOU CAN'T DO IT, CAN YOU!?
I thought not.
We've kinda been through P/E and NokoMitsu, and the other pairings I like don't have much canon interaction so that's hard to aruge other than "I think it'd be hot" (ZENI/OTO~~~~~). Though I will confess I have a soft spot for Aiga->Yuusaku.
...Though you can also blame it on this site, with the "Yuusaku drugs and rapes Aiga" manga:
http://www.pavc.ne.jp/~haru-signal/top.htm
YOU CAN'T DO IT, CAN YOU!?
I thought not.
We've kinda been through P/E and NokoMitsu, and the other pairings I like don't have much canon interaction so that's hard to aruge other than "I think it'd be hot" (ZENI/OTO~~~~~). Though I will confess I have a soft spot for Aiga->Yuusaku.
Spoiler: "GS3-2"
...Though you can also blame it on this site, with the "Yuusaku drugs and rapes Aiga" manga:
http://www.pavc.ne.jp/~haru-signal/top.htm
And I thought my parings were scary!
And yet they do look cute together aside from the rape thing...
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SHUT UP IT'S HOT.
That it is, but you can't tell God to shut up XD
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you are all terrible nerds! terrible!
it's so wrong
yet it feels so right
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computer wrote:
phoenix wright pairing debates?
you are all terrible nerds! terrible!
it's so wrong
yet it feels so right
you are all terrible nerds! terrible!
it's so wrong
yet it feels so right
...You expect fans off a lawyer game NOT to be nerds?
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computer wrote:
phoenix wright pairing debates?
you are all terrible nerds! terrible!
it's so wrong
yet it feels so right
you are all terrible nerds! terrible!
it's so wrong
yet it feels so right
*reads very fine print* And proud of it!
Too lazy... hur hur.
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Spoiler: No real spoilers, just making this post more compact
Any contestants? I'll gladly debate ^^
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and in a relationship. In a few years anyway. True, I do think she needs some time to mature but her and Nick balance each other out so well. They would always have interesting conversations; between his wit and her comebacks. Besides, they already have a trusting relationship and they both look out for each other. / 
: Honestly, I don't think I can see these two becoming romantically involved. I could see them living as roommates, just roommates. There'd always been some type of witty dialogue going on between those two. I can see them becoming closer friends.Well, those were just my thoughts. I'm open to reading anything else someone might want to say.
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