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Firstly I have nothing against the gay community, one of my closest friends is gay.

It's just that I'm annoyed at the amount of Phoenix/Edgey pairings in the AA fan community.

Normally it doesn't bug me so much but there was one time where I saw someone completely object the Phoenix/Iris relationship near the end of T+T on the ground of "Edgey is his bishie" and it almost made me snap. Then I see the demand for an Edgey/Phoenix canon relationship in the new ones and ugh it's just ruining it for me. Why can't they just let em alone. I'll admit the Phoenix/Iris relationship was hasty but it just bugged me that people are seriously asking for Canon gay pairing of Phoenix/Edgey it would ruin AA for me.

Oh also I'm annoyed at Ema/Klavier pairings too. She was a complete pain in AJ whereas he was cool and he can do far far better.

So if theres any pairings you don't like? let us know in a massive rant :gant:
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why capcom encourages this junk.... i dunno
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In a direct contrast to the thread starter, I LOVE Phoenix X Edgey and wish they would make it canon already. Their compelling dynamic is one of the main reasons I love the game.

The pairing that annoys me the most is, in fact, Phoenix X Iris.
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Hello, Iris? You pretended to date Phoenix to save Dahlia from killing him to get the necklace back. IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO BE HELPFUL AND KEEP PHOENIX SAFE, HOW ABOUT TURNING YOUR SISTER IN FOR THE MURDER OF DIEGO ARMANDO? She poisoned somebody and is plotting to kill again and you feel bad fo her and want to be her friend?

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There is absolutely no reason or evidence for a Phoenix/Edgy relationship since when?! I'll hand it to you Iris is dumb but still there is nothing TOO make canon not even a hint!
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The pairing annoys me mainly because of the weird implications that two men can't have a deep and fulfilling friendship without their harbouring secret romantic feelings for each other.
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What REALLY annoys me is Phoenix x Edgeworth.

The reasons:

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They are NOT gay. I mean Phoenix had Iris and it was canon, Phoenix x Mia was strongly hinted, Phoenix x Maya is semi-canon and Phoenix already looked at quite a few girls (Dessie comes to my mind). Edgeworth, although not having a canon romantic relationship, he is just not gay. I don't say it because I ship Edgey x Franny, but because he doesn't act gay. At all. What's so gay about him?

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It's way too popular. I don't even see the reason. I didn't even think about such a random and stupid pairing until I came to this site. It's simply baseless. The only base is some kind of weird fangirl thinking "Edgey's so hot. Phoenix is hot too. Together they'll be hot, so I ship them." It's simply wrong. I mean, Maya x Franny would be hot too, but I don't ship them either, because it makes no sense.

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It's so popular that it's everywhere. Even in the cute couples thread which is supposed to be a thread for work safe pics. Even in deviantart when I was searching "Miles Edgeworth" about 20% of the pics were gay stuff.

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Phoenix x Edgey shippers hate Maya. I love Maya. Put these two together :)

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I hate this "OMG close friends = gays" stuff. It's like in Rocky 3 a lot of stupid idiots screamed "OMG Rocky and Apollo are gays!". I mean come on, they just gave each other a friendly hug and they both had wives and families. Have you never hugged anybody other than your love?

6:
Evidence of Edgey not being gay. I don't want any of you to agree with this, but it's interesting. I know 2 girls who say "Gayness kills manliness. Gays are smily not manly. They are just not attractive." Yet they both madly love Edgey.

7: The creators didn't intend it. And after game one when they realized how popular it became (despite being baseless) they even hinted the opposite several times in games 2 and 3. Same goes for the Edgey x Gumshoe pairing.
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God no tell me EdgeyxGumshoe isn't real. Gumshoe's my fave he's not like that at all! Hopefully in Edgey's own game the new female will end up in a canon relationship with Edgey, also hopefully she'll be cool too but it would hopefully silence these stupid claims.
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there's yaoi pairings(I think that's the correct spelling) in almost every fandom if you look, no matter how unbased they are, you just have to learn how to deal with it.
Phoenix/Edgeworth- after playing through the games again I just really don't see it.

Phoenix/Iris- I really dislike this pairing, I have no idea why though.

Edgeworth/franziska- although I used to like this pairing, after thinking about it again it really is just too much like incest.

edit: this probably should have gone in your least favourite pairings forum, but I guess I've already posted there.
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Salutation Here wrote:
The pairing annoys me mainly because of the weird implications that two men can't have a deep and fulfilling friendship without their harbouring secret romantic feelings for each other.


Yeah, this. Most of the time, I'm simply apathetic towards the pairing, but frankly, I'm always bugged by people who think that people in general can't have that kind of friendship without there being romantic feelings involved, regardless of the genders of those involved. (Believe me, I feel this way about het pairings in other fandoms, not just yaoi pairings. And I'm not anti-yaoi, before anyone gets the wrong impression of me.)

And when I see rabid fangirls trolling threads for other pairings, well, my annoyance kicks into overdrive. Look, you're free to enjoy your pairing of choice - I honestly don't give a shit. But don't come around just to bitch about my pairing of choice. I wouldn't do that to you, so grant me the same respect.

... I think, in the end, I'm more anti-fangirl than anything. XD
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I am a EdgeworthxPhoenix shipper, but I am not like the shippers youve apparently met. I like both Phoenix and Edgeworth with girls and boys (I dont really focus on what their canon sexuality is, since it doesnt really matter if I know some pairings will never happen), and I dont always think close guy friends are gay for eachother. I just like to think those guys are. XD

And I dont hate Mia, Maya, or any of the PW females for being paired up with Phoenix and Edgeworth. If others want to pair them up with girls, all power to them. I actually like seeing some het pictures with those two. Theyre cute. :3

The only couple I dont really like is EdgeworthxFransizka. I have no idea why not, I just dont. Thats the only one I can think of right now. Maybe because I can hardly see Fransizka in ANY relationship... XD
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Where are all the crazy Phoenix x Edgey fangirls now? :D
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I suppose there had to be one fangirl of it who wasn't insane xD.

Still the Edgeworth/Franziska pairing never even occured to me I mean....the age difference is quite big and she's just like a little sister to Edgy.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
I suppose there had to be one fangirl of it who wasn't insane xD.

Still the Edgeworth/Franziska pairing never even occured to me I mean....the age difference is quite big and she's just like a little sister to Edgy.

I'll give you the 'little sister' thing, but look at Gumshoe and Maggey - the pairing is quite implied at the end of T&T, and they're about the same age difference.

However, at the time of T&T, I'll concede that it would be wrong for Edgey/Franny since you're talking about a 19 year old girl being with a 26 year old at the time. However, give it some years and it will probably look better.

((Why is it that a lot of pairings like this are 7 years apart in difference? WHAT IS IT WITH SEVEN YEARS, DAMN IT!? XD))
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Szabu wrote:
Where are all the crazy Phoenix x Edgey fangirls now? :D


We're avoiding this thread like the plague :chef:
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Actually, isn't the age difference between Maggey and Gumshoe about nine years? Not that there's anything wrong with that. ^^ They're very cute, I like the pairing.

Edgeworth/Franziska is not something I really see, it seems to be more sibling-like to me... plus, as far as Franziska pairings go, I like her with Adrian more anyway. XD I don't hate the Edgeworth/Franziska one, though.
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The Phoenix x Edgeworth has annoyed me quite alot since I've gotten into Phoenix Wright but Szabu has pretty much said what I was going to say, there is no evidence to show that Phoenix or Edgeworth are gay in any way, shape or form, it just feels wrong IMO, but if the majority still support it then I can't do nothing about it.
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Oh, Phoenix/Edgeworth.... I was indifferent to this couple, but then it started popping up everywhere!!! Goddamn, why in every fandom two guys can't be friends without fans suspecting them to be gay??? I accept yaoi, but only if it's TRULY cannon. These fangirl comments like "it's all in subtext!", "they are so hot together!" are driving me mad! (And seriously, how can be two hot gay man hotter, than two straight man! XD XD XD) Phoenix/Edgeworth is even more annoying than Klavier/Apollo, which I don't like too. Also, about Franny/Edgeworth. I like this couple, but I understand why some people can't see it and I'm perfectly fine with it! The thing I find very strange, that some yaoi fans say "Franny/Edgeworth is MORE CREEPY than Gavincest!!!" Can you explain, how??? They are not related, for Gods sake! >_<
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PouchedRat wrote:
Szabu wrote:
Where are all the crazy Phoenix x Edgey fangirls now? :D


We're avoiding this thread like the plague :chef:


YAY! I made a threat that beats away Fangirls like the plague!

Though they are perfectly welcome to post their hated pairings :eh?:

Still I guess the age gap is fine then it's just that Gumshoe and Maggey are a good pair, both of them are enthusiastic and hopeful and oh so cute pairing. While I'm sure there's probably some obvious similarities in Franziska/Edgey I still think it's too different, at least after Edgey's 'awakening' in JFA where he realised what prosecuting was truly about.

Personally after Franziska describing how she can affectionately whip Gumshoe in T&T I thought it was gonna be a kinda cute pairing though I'm totally not promoting it it was just a brief moment of cuteness on Franziska's part :yuusaku:
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my major problem with people who dislike p/e is that they often state that they feel it is "wrong". there's nothing "wrong" about gay guys. i will be honest: i cannot see phoenix and edgey with anyone else but each other. i am sure you feel differently. the game creators left it open ended on purpose: any pairing can seem possible to anyone. there is no more evidence for any other relationship in the series than there is for p/e.

enough of that, though.

i fucking hate p/i. it was rushed, felt tacked on, and just seems stupid to me. :/ not to mention that i hate iris like burning for reasons i won't go into here.
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Hum...there are a few statements bothered me in this thread, please give me a few minutes to view over the Phoenix/Maya thread before replying...
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Gozu wrote:
my major problem with people who dislike p/e is that they often state that they feel it is "wrong". there's nothing "wrong" about gay guys. i will be honest: i cannot see phoenix and edgey with anyone else but each other. i am sure you feel differently. the game creators left it open ended on purpose: any pairing can seem possible to anyone. there is no more evidence for any other relationship in the series than there is for p/e.

enough of that, though.

i fucking hate p/i. it was rushed, felt tacked on, and just seems stupid to me. :/ not to mention that i hate iris like burning for reasons i won't go into here.


Well there is kinda evidence y'know?
After all the CANON FACTS about him an Iris (though I think it's rushed too) are kinda obvious evidence, plus in the manga there are numerous references to Maya and Phoenix as a couple, to the point where the judge tells them off for having a lovers spat in court, plus Phoenix has shown interest in various women throughout the series like Dessie and Regina kinda hinting that he's not gay and providing evidence against a Phoenix/Edgy one.
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Yeah, nothing is "wrong" about gay guys, but it's wrong when hetero men are portrayed as gays.

And there is far more evidence for Phoenix x Iris, Phoenix x Mia and Phoenix x Maya than Phoenix x Edgey (of which, there is ZERO).
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I don't like P/E because it basically says "lolz guyz can't be close friends without being gay"

I also don't like Phoenix/Maya or Edgey/Franny because those both seem more like sibling relationships to me

But what do I know? I ship :phoenix: / :franny:
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Oh, there's nothing wrong with gay guys. ^^ In fact, one of my favorite Star Ocean 2 pairings is a yaoi pairing, so it isn't that that I have a problem with. It's when guys who are shown to be straight are written/drawn as being gay for no real canonical reason than "omg it's soooooooooooooo hawt!" that I have a problem with. (And it DOES happen, believe me, and a LOT - I've especially seen it in Suikoden fandom.) I also, as stated before, dislike the idea that two people can't have a close friendship without having romantic feelings for each other; it cheapens friendship, IMO. And, once again, I have this problem with het pairings too, in various fandoms. ^^ (Lina/Zel and Harry/Hermione come instantly to mind as het pairs where they're friends, and there are some incredibly vocal shippers declaring them to be in love, too, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.)
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God no tell me EdgeyxGumshoe isn't real. Gumshoe's my fave he's not like that at all! Hopefully in Edgey's own game the new female will end up in a canon relationship with Edgey, also hopefully she'll be cool too but it would hopefully silence these stupid claims.


Gumshoe states in the game during case 4: "We have a trusting relationship" which people seem to think that they are in a actual relationship together. Thank you bloody translator for not making him just say "We trust each other". >_<

The pair that pisses me off is :franny: / :adrian:. All because Adrian apparently doesn't trust men (yeah, that instantly means girls are lesbians <_<).
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I never got the :franny: / :adrian: relationship, so like what she reassures her she won't be convicted if she does such an such in like one conversation between them an all of a sudden they are a non-canon couple? It just doesn't make sense to me especially considering Adrian is far to imperfect and flawed for Franziska's tastes.
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Oh, it's totally non-canon. ^^ I like the idea of it, I think it's cute, and I was laughing so hard at the bit in the T&T ending where Adrian said Franziska had taught her how to use a whip.

(This might blow some minds, but I'm actually a straight female, in case anyone was wondering. And I like a non-canon yuri pairing and dislike a non-canon yaoi pairing. Yeah, I know it's weird! XD)
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About Adrian and Franny, I say it's one-sided.
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Realistically speaking, it probably is. (Which would probably make me like it MORE, because I dig those sorts of "pairings" too.)
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There is already a thread for pairings you do not like. More than that, making comments about people who like certain pairings goes against the rules of this forum. Why do you care what other people ship? Let it go and move on.

Matsukawa already said that P/E will never be canon anyway, so it's not like its fans are a threat to the future of the series or something. :yuusaku:
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...fine, I gave up going through the whole Phoenix/Maya thread...I just read the first and last two pages.囧

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Then I see the demand for an Edgey/Phoenix canon relationship in the new ones and ugh it's just ruining it for me. Why can't they just let em alone. I'll admit the Phoenix/Iris relationship was hasty but it just bugged me that people are seriously asking for Canon gay pairing of Phoenix/Edgey it would ruin AA for me.


Then I see the demand for an Phoenix/Maya(Iris) canon relationship in the new ones and ugh it's just ruining it for me. Why can't they just let em alone. I'll admit the Phonix/Edgey pairing is not acceptable to everyone but it just bugged me that people are seriously asking for Canon pairing of Phoenix/Maya(Iris) it would ruin AA for me.
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There is absolutely no reason or evidence for a Phoenix/Edgy relationship since when?! I'll hand it to you Iris is dumb but still there is nothing TOO make canon not even a hint!


...P/E is not a canon pairing, nor the Phoenix/Maya one.P/I used to be canon but after five years every thing could have changed. There are pretty a lot hints for all these three pairings in the game, it's not fangirls' fault if you can't see some of them...but well, yes, none of them is canon, includes the P/E one. Happy now?

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The pairing annoys me mainly because of the weird implications that two men can't have a deep and fulfilling friendship without their harbouring secret romantic feelings for each other.


I believe there must be some misunderstanding here...you don't really know fangirls, that's all.

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And when I see rabid fangirls trolling threads for other pairings, well, my annoyance kicks into overdrive. Look, you're free to enjoy your pairing of choice - I honestly don't give a shit. But don't come around just to bitch about my pairing of choice. I wouldn't do that to you, so grant me the same respect.


I tried to go through the Phoenix/Maya thread exactly because of this...well I failed because there are so many pages there and I still have other work to do, but as I can remember, fangirls seldom say something like "I'm really annoyed by the Phoenix/Maya pairing because it's too popular", "Phoenix/Mia is totally baseless" or "the Klavier/Ema pairing is just junk". Actually, it is who support BG pairing always bitch about our pairings,and THIS thread is a great example.

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I'm so tired of this. It's your freedom to dislike any pairing, but don't attack fangirls anymore, okey? You are not defending the pairings you like, actually you just hate fangirls from the bottom of your heart. Admit it.

That's all I want to say, sorry if it offended you.

Edited:Hoops, sorry Croik, didn't see your post...I will stop right here.
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