The new Ace Attorney project is... an opera!?
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If someone would be kind enough to make similar threads on Capcom's European boards (let's get ALL the languages here!) I'll post links here too. GIVE CAPCOM YOUR BEST OBJECTION...!
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Thanks to JapaneseGIRL, we now know that the New Gyakuten Not Game project Capcom is working on is actually an Ace Attorney live action musical/opera to be performed by the famous Takarazuka Revue, in Feburary of 2009. For your mental imaging pleasure, Takarazuka is made up of all women. What does this mean for Gumshoe!?
The part of Phoenix (who is being called Phoenix apparently, not Naruhodou) is being played by actress Tomu Ranju, and can be seen on Dengeki.com.
As you can probably guess, there doesn't seem to be any chance of us fans overseas getting to see it. Does anyone know if Takarazuka even allows their shows to be filmed?
Anyway, at least we finally got a larger version of the Orchestra CD art we saw a while ago. A couple new pieces of music were added for the fall show, including a detective medly of Gumshoe/Ema/Jake, an Investigation Suite, and Blue Badger.
As far as I know, all they had to say about Gyakuten Kenji is that it's almost done. But it's still not going to be out until '09.
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Forget Gumshoe, what about Grosberg? Or Payne...?
More importantly, there's Female Udgey. A bald chick with a massive beard will be a sight indeed.
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What is that? An.. opera? No!çOç *delusion*
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I wrote:
No anime? Opera?
*Turns round slowly, starts walking, and hops off a cliff*
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This is Fail territory. Epic, Epic fail...>>;;
What the hell, Capcom, What...the...Frigging...hell?!?
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Nevertheless, now I think it over, I think that the company wanted to do this and asked Capcom's permission rather than it being the other way around, and I don't mind that.
I just hope a good Anime company does the same thing, then we can all be happy. XD
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As for the news itself, I'm glad it's not an anime, I didn't want one and if they had one, I was afraid of all the fanservice they were going to stuff in it... I'm all for a musical (even though I won't be able to see it) but... I would rather it not be Takarazuka. XD I've never seen them live, but from what I've heard and read, I'm not impressed. But then again, except for traditional Japanese theater and the occasional musical, I suppose theater is generally unheard of there except for this troupe.
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Matsukawa did mention an Anime/film version in her final statement at the end of the concert according to that Dengeki article...
It seems like Capcom has challenged them to expand it into an anime and film version, and that the Takarazuka revue is more of an expansion than they've done thus far. So, if I'm right in my translation, that possibility is still open.
I think a Takarazuka revue is really hilarious... I'd see it. ;_;a
Also, the audience for Takarazuka isn't that small. In fact, many very famous franchises have gotten Takarazuka revues, like Rose of Versailles and Osamu Tezuka's works. It seems like this is a further effort to expand their female fanbase...
Edit: Also, Takarazuka doesn't allow their stuff to be filmed by amateurs, but they do release DVDs of their performances, so there's a decent chance of getting a look at this thing, if only a brief one.
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TheGreenAvenger wrote:
Matsukawa did mention an Anime/film version in her final statement at the end of the concert according to that Dengeki article...
It seems like Capcom has challenged them to expand it into an anime and film version, and that the Takarazuka revue is more of an expansion than they've done thus far. So, if I'm right in my translation, that possibility is still open.
Sorry if this is a bit disappointing, but what the producer, Matsukawa-san, said is actually this:
"Up until now, Capcom [as a company] has expanded our franchises through a variety of mediums such as movies and anime, but I believe that this medium, the Takarazuka Revue, will be our company's most challenging endeavor yet."
So while she does not rule out an anime, it sounds to me more like the company decided to try this as a new way to reach out to the fanbase of their games.
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I think a Takarazuka revue is really hilarious... I'd see it. ;_;a
Also, the audience for Takarazuka isn't that small. In fact, many very famous franchises have gotten Takarazuka revues, like Rose of Versailles and Osamu Tezuka's works. It seems like this is a further effort to expand their female fanbase...
*nod, nod* This is definitely for the female fanbase. Fans of Takarazuka are predominantly women, and from a company perspective, this is certainly one way to introduce a number of housewives and office ladies to the GS series.
Of course, I think it's good for Takarazuka as well as people who usually don't go to Takarazuka may be inclined to go to see this at the very least. As you said, it's a very famous theater troupe with a lot of historical prestige in Japan, that's for sure, but it's also an acquired taste that not every one likes...
TheGreenAvenger wrote:
Edit: Also, Takarazuka doesn't allow their stuff to be filmed by amateurs, but they do release DVDs of their performances, so there's a decent chance of getting a look at this thing, if only a brief one.
Yup! I really hope they put one out! They usually make them for their more famous shows, but hey, you never know since it's in collaboration with a game company, not just something they're putting out on their own.
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I'm not againest an operal or anything, but..............................................
WHAT THE HELL?!
Most of the main characters in the game are males.
But Takarazuka is made up of all females.
.....It's unacceptable even if it's just a cosplay show...you know what I mean?
...Fine, I overreacted a bit. I will watch the performance anyway if they release a DVD.
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How many Fans of Ace Attorney in the west would really wanna see an opera, if given the chance they'd rather take an anime project?
I seriously feel like going AVGN with this...there's just no explanation or excuse for this complete overlooking of their western fanbase and demographic for their own country's love of the absurd!
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Boss Velotix wrote:
xylophone220 wrote:
Croik wrote:
I say we bust out on the Capcom Unity boards and tell them what us American fans want so they can't act like they don't know. WHO'S WITH ME!?
What about Europe? D:
Capcom Europe's Ace Attorney Forum would be a good start there.
How many people even realise that Capcom Europe has a forum? XD
Anyway, now to comment on this interesting announcement: I'm noticing most of the people complaining are male. :P
Suck it up, guys, the world does not revolve around America nor Europe. Do you really expect a Japanese game producer to be that familiar with the international market for TV and merchandise so as to mind-read your every desire and need? NO.
If you really want something, instead of just sitting around and wishing for it, go out there and make your voices heard - Capcom are listening!
The first thing I thought of when I saw this announcement was that it had the potential to get my grandmother interested in the Gyakuten Saiban series. If this opera is being performed by a troupe as good as people say and has the potential to do that, then THIS IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT A BAD THING.
Making it clear that an international subtitled release of the opera performance is required and demanded, not just a nice yet unrealistic idea is now a top priority. Ladies, we need you to drown out the men here. Let's get this puppy international!
Does we even do these things anymore?
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Secondly, I think people are being wayyyyyyyyyyy too closed-minded about the troupe being all women. All these, oh the western demographics wouldn't like it, blah blah.... Honestly, thinking that it's all just about the western world is really really dumb. And no offense, but it's not like everyone in the western world playing the games would prefer anime over a musical w/all women. In fact, many people may prefer this over anime! You don't know this. Not to mention, in the voicing industry, women are known to voice men. So what is the problem? Capcom does care about its fanbase, but being truthful, one or few disgruntled court-records members won't do much at all to their profits. If they want to try something new, and if you are a true fan, you should accept it and see how it ends up.
If the troupe is able to pull it off, great! That'd be awesome. If not, well why don't you go to Japan and try to make more men into musicals? And just don't whine about it. It's not gonna change anything.
Seriously. Be mature, guys. The world really isn't just about America or Europe anymore. At all. And to be honest, all this... wah wah I want anime makes you guys just be an otaku... which, contrary to many people's beliefs, is not the majority of the Japanese demographics, and is actually not highly looked upon as awesome or something to really care about.
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Anyway,I'd be wanting to see Gumshoe~ Those who are a bit dissapointed in this news...Well! This is CRAPCOM to you!
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Well, I'm grateful anyway for the fact CAPCOM is giving SOMETHING to the GS fanbase =3
Not that I'll ever be able to go and see the thing live, but the thought is heartwarming
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Boss Velotix wrote:
Ladies, we need you to drown out the men here. Let's get this puppy international!
....Marry me.
Anyway, I'm just gonna go and agree with the people who said "QUIT YER BITCHEN", only they said it more eloquently.
Basically, I can't believe that there are people complaining that the new project isn't what they wanted it to be. I can understand being a little disappointed, but going so far as to be angry with Capcom? Seriously, guys. CRY MOAR.
Iban wrote:
Well, it's not anime then
Well, I'm grateful anyway for the fact CAPCOM is giving SOMETHING to the GS fanbase =3
Not that I'll ever be able to go and see the thing live, but the thought is heartwarming
Well, I'm grateful anyway for the fact CAPCOM is giving SOMETHING to the GS fanbase =3
Not that I'll ever be able to go and see the thing live, but the thought is heartwarming
THIS.
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I think it's kind of interesting that they're doing this. Plus, have any other videogames had the Takarazuka treatment? I think not. Be grateful that they're doing anything for the fans! >_<
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First of all, epic win at guessing that it'll be a musical! Go me!
Secondly, I think people are being wayyyyyyyyyyy too closed-minded about the troupe being all women. All these, oh the western demographics wouldn't like it, blah blah.... Honestly, thinking that it's all just about the western world is really really dumb. And no offense, but it's not like everyone in the western world playing the games would prefer anime over a musical w/all women. In fact, many people may prefer this over anime! You don't know this. Not to mention, in the voicing industry, women are known to voice men. So what is the problem? Capcom does care about its fanbase, but being truthful, one or few disgruntled court-records members won't do much at all to their profits. If they want to try something new, and if you are a true fan, you should accept it and see how it ends up.
If the troupe is able to pull it off, great! That'd be awesome. If not, well why don't you go to Japan and try to make more men into musicals? And just don't whine about it. It's not gonna change anything.
Seriously. Be mature, guys. The world really isn't just about America or Europe anymore. At all. And to be honest, all this... wah wah I want anime makes you guys just be an otaku... which, contrary to many people's beliefs, is not the majority of the Japanese demographics, and is actually not highly looked upon as awesome or something to really care about.
Secondly, I think people are being wayyyyyyyyyyy too closed-minded about the troupe being all women. All these, oh the western demographics wouldn't like it, blah blah.... Honestly, thinking that it's all just about the western world is really really dumb. And no offense, but it's not like everyone in the western world playing the games would prefer anime over a musical w/all women. In fact, many people may prefer this over anime! You don't know this. Not to mention, in the voicing industry, women are known to voice men. So what is the problem? Capcom does care about its fanbase, but being truthful, one or few disgruntled court-records members won't do much at all to their profits. If they want to try something new, and if you are a true fan, you should accept it and see how it ends up.
If the troupe is able to pull it off, great! That'd be awesome. If not, well why don't you go to Japan and try to make more men into musicals? And just don't whine about it. It's not gonna change anything.
Seriously. Be mature, guys. The world really isn't just about America or Europe anymore. At all. And to be honest, all this... wah wah I want anime makes you guys just be an otaku... which, contrary to many people's beliefs, is not the majority of the Japanese demographics, and is actually not highly looked upon as awesome or something to really care about.
...I'm not a westerner, in China we have Yue Opera in which all characters are performed by women and Jing Opera in which all characters are performed by men, but both of them are very different from a modern stage show. a GS opera with all characters are performed by women is still unacceptable to me...all right now I've already accepted the fact that we can change nothing, so I will eat my words here.
In my deep heart actually I'm eager to watch the opera...call me a big silly fan.
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capcom had the opportunity to make something that would appeal to all of the gyakuten saiban fans. they did not do this; instead, they decided to make a musical, of all things, and one that caters almost exclusively to a japanese female market. takarazuka has little to no appeal in the western market, and if you think that they are going to release a DVD of this for westerners you are way off base.
all that capcom has succeeded in doing is wasting their gyakusai team on things such as musicals and orchestral concerts - two things that will never see the light of day in the western world, i guarantee you. where are the GS5 announcements? where is the GK release date? matsukawa has said so many times that they know and care about their western fans. where is our merchandise, then? what do we have besides the game and the manga (which only just got released, mind you, and it's fan comics, not the official ones)?
we are consistently getting the short end of the stick, despite the great sales of the games in the west.
personally, i am pissed off about it.
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As for the GK and GS5 release dates, Capcom will release them when they're good and ready. Good things come to those who wait. I really don't understand how fans can act so deprived when in reality, we have so much.
Besides, the games SHOULD be enough, so quit acting like you're so entitled.
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Kartoon Kween wrote:
I still say cry moar. That, and have some patience.
who's crying? all i voiced was my opinion. and if you don't think i have patience, you are deeply incorrect.
Kartoon Kween wrote:
Chances are, there will be a Phoenix Wright anime eventually. Really, it's only a matter of time.
somehow i doubt it at this rate.
Kartoon Kween wrote:
As for the GK and GS5 release dates, Capcom will release them when they're good and ready. Good things come to those who wait. I really don't understand how fans can act so deprived when in reality, we have so much.
they certainly will. but when we have been waiting a year and a half for some word on GS5, i don't think that we're acting deprived. we want capcom to focus on the series, not some lame spinoff presentation.
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Besides, the games SHOULD be enough, so quit acting like you're so entitled.
yes, the main part of the series should satisfy me. who cares about all the extra things that japan is getting exclusively? so? who wants artbooks and orchestras and official manga? we have the games! oh thank you for showing me the error of my ways. i am forever in your debt.
seriously, no. i am not entitled, i just want more than what capcom is giving us. if the western fans are supposedly so important to capcom, we shouldn't be getting shafted. that is not too much to ask or "entitled" at all.
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icer wrote:
As for merchandise.. maybe we should demand international shipping on Capcom's Japanese online store?
THIS.
That solves one problem right off the bat.
Gozu wrote:
i don't think people are really understanding why some of us are unhappy about this.
Nope, I got it, but there's a core issue that's already been mentioned that explains why we have this problem in the first place.
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capcom had the opportunity to make something that would appeal to all of the gyakuten saiban fans. they did not do this; instead, they decided to make a musical, of all things, and one that caters almost exclusively to a japanese female market. takarazuka has little to no appeal in the western market, and if you think that they are going to release a DVD of this for westerners you are way off base.
If there's demand for it and they can make a profit from it, they will. The hard part is making it clear that there is a demand, which is why making some noise right now is important, rather just saying: "OH WAIT THEY'LL NEVER RELEASE IT HERE SO WHY BOTHER TRYING LAWL". Of course they won't if that's your attitude. :P
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all that capcom has succeeded in doing is wasting their gyakusai team on things such as musicals and orchestral concerts - two things that will never see the light of day in the western world, i guarantee you. where are the GS5 announcements? where is the GK release date? matsukawa has said so many times that they know and care about their western fans. where is our merchandise, then? what do we have besides the game and the manga (which only just got released, mind you, and it's fan comics, not the official ones)?
we are consistently getting the short end of the stick, despite the great sales of the games in the west.
personally, i am pissed off about it.
we are consistently getting the short end of the stick, despite the great sales of the games in the west.
personally, i am pissed off about it.
Interestingly, you yourself quoted this:
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I know the creator was talking about how popular the series is over in the English speaking world, and they want to do stuff like the concerts and stuff for the Phoenix Wright fans, but it's impossible to find something because they're so spread out. So they're just going to cater to the Japanese masses, who love them some Takarazuka more than animes and stuff.
It really sounds like they have absolutely no idea how to cater to an international audience, and that's the problem here. So, tell them what you want to see and how much of it you want to see - that's the only way this is going to end.
O HAI CROIK:
It looks like we need to send a letter (open letter?) via snail mail to the Capcom Head Office detailing what the international audience would like to see and how soon. This is, after all, the master hub of the fandom and all the interests and requests show up here. We could take an inventory of the site and the members, see what people want, and give Capcom a short manifesto. It's worth a shot if nothing else. :D
Does we even do these things anymore?
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Gozu wrote:
all that capcom has succeeded in doing is wasting their gyakusai team on things such as musicals and orchestral concerts - two things that will never see the light of day in the western world, i guarantee you. where are the GS5 announcements? where is the GK release date? matsukawa has said so many times that they know and care about their western fans. where is our merchandise, then? what do we have besides the game and the manga (which only just got released, mind you, and it's fan comics, not the official ones)?
we are consistently getting the short end of the stick, despite the great sales of the games in the west.
The reason we don't get all the GS merchandise in American is probably not Capcom of Japan's fault. I'm sure Capcom of American doesn't think these things are worth bringing over because they don't think such items will sell well.
Think about it, they would have to hire people (or realocate resources) to translate all the fan books and anything else that is a text heavy product. If they don't think they're going to make any money off of it, they probably don't want to waste time and resources on that. Let's hope that the manga they are releasing here will change their minds and we'll start to get more GS merchandise.
Back on topic: I feel neutral about the Opera. I really wanted an anime, but it was only speculation on our part so I'm not too bummed. I'm not too interested in the Opera, but I will probably watch it if a DVD were released here.
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Gozu wrote:
i don't think people are really understanding why some of us are unhappy about this.
I understand why people would be disappointed that it's not anime, and even why they'd be unhappy that the announcement ended up being what it was. I personally think it's a silly idea, but I don't think the silliness is out of proportion for the usual silliness of this franchise.
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capcom had the opportunity to make something that would appeal to all of the gyakuten saiban fans. they did not do this; instead, they decided to make a musical, of all things, and one that caters almost exclusively to a japanese female market. takarazuka has little to no appeal in the western market, and if you think that they are going to release a DVD of this for westerners you are way off base.
You're very right about the lack of appeal and the fact that a DVD release is a ridiculous idea. However, Capcom doesn't have an obligation to appeal to all Gyakuten Saiban fans, and there's no guarantee that an anime would do that. Their base is a lot broader in Japan, and even if many of the people who like this game in America are also fans of anime, the truth is that in Japan, in my experience, anime tends to generate buzz among a particular subgroup and then that doesn't really travel much further, doesn't reach past people who would have already heard about the series. With this theater, they not only reach the people who are already fans and who might not normally attend a performance, they also reach the usual audience of Takarazuka, who might be tempted into picking up the games.
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all that capcom has succeeded in doing is wasting their gyakusai team on things such as musicals and orchestral concerts - two things that will never see the light of day in the western world, i guarantee you. where are the GS5 announcements? where is the GK release date? matsukawa has said so many times that they know and care about their western fans. where is our merchandise, then? what do we have besides the game and the manga (which only just got released, mind you, and it's fan comics, not the official ones)?
Capcom is not really trying to appeal to Western fans with this announcement, notice how the press release is in Japanese? Notice how it was announced at a Japan-only concert? And if you think the dev team of the game is working on the script for the performance, I'd like to see your source on that. Unless you happen to know that Capcom's writers are also writers of musical theater.
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we are consistently getting the short end of the stick, despite the great sales of the games in the west.
personally, i am pissed off about it.
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seriously, no. i am not entitled, i just want more than what capcom is giving us. if the western fans are supposedly so important to capcom, we shouldn't be getting shafted. that is not too much to ask or "entitled" at all.
personally, i am pissed off about it.
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seriously, no. i am not entitled, i just want more than what capcom is giving us. if the western fans are supposedly so important to capcom, we shouldn't be getting shafted. that is not too much to ask or "entitled" at all.
Bitching and moaning will certainly get you what you want. Regardless of how well the game sells here as compared to other games of its genre, they're still going to make more money off specialty items and media and events in Japan, partly because of the broad fanbase and partly because of geography. Logistically speaking, it's harder to make money off your fanbase in America, because you have to spend money shipping, marketing, and manufacturing for a fanbase that's spread all over the country as opposed to in a smaller space.
Acting like just the fact that you're willing to give Capcom your money makes them obligated to give you what you want is entitlement. If you want to get the things that the Japanese audience gets, write a positive, nicely-worded letter to Capcom USA and encourage others to do so as well. As for this musical, nothing you say or do is going to make it any more or less profitable for Capcom, which is part and parcel of the reasons that they market more to the Japanese audience.
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Most fans *are* satisfied with just the games. Lots of games in Japan don't ever see the light of day overseas, and we're glad that we have the chance to have Phoenix Wright at all. But at Captivate several people told me "You're going to love what Matsukawa is working on!" and now I know that me and most of the people here have no chance of actually seeing it. It's natural to feel disappointed.
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Look. I just don't get how the announcement of this new project has stirred such pessimistic feelings. I can understand how the concept of basing a musical off of a video game series could seem kind of "out there" to Western fans. This doesn't mean, however, that an anime will never be made. It also doesn't mean that we will never get art books or all that other stuff, and it certainly doesn't mean that Capcom isn't working on other things. This is just a guess, as I don't work for Capcom, but I'm assuming that they're capable of working on more than one project at once.
That being said.
The Capcom guys may say that their Western audience is important to them, but the Japanese audience will always be more important to them. I mean, Gyakuten Saiban is a Japanese series. I think we're pretty lucky that it got sent over seas at all.
Anyway, Boss Velotix is right. If we want to be heard, we need to be vocal, but not in a complaining, "woe is me, Capcom sucks" kind of way. I'm all aboard for petition. The key, I suppose, is organization. How many members does Court-Records have?
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Look. I just don't get how the announcement of this new project has stirred such pessimistic feelings. I can understand how the concept of basing a musical off of a video game series could seem kind of "out there" to Western fans. This doesn't mean, however, that an anime will never be made. It also doesn't mean that we will never get art books or all that other stuff, and it certainly doesn't mean that Capcom isn't working on other things. This is just a guess, as I don't work for Capcom, but I'm assuming that they're capable of working on more than one project at once.
That being said.
The Capcom guys may say that their Western audience is important to them, but the Japanese audience will always be more important to them. I mean, Gyakuten Saiban is a Japanese series. I think we're pretty lucky that it got sent over seas at all.
Anyway, Boss Velotix is right. If we want to be heard, we need to be vocal, but not in a complaining, "woe is me, Capcom sucks" kind of way. I'm all aboard for petition. The key, I suppose, is organization. How many members does Court-Records have?
Look. I just don't get how the announcement of this new project has stirred such pessimistic feelings. I can understand how the concept of basing a musical off of a video game series could seem kind of "out there" to Western fans. This doesn't mean, however, that an anime will never be made. It also doesn't mean that we will never get art books or all that other stuff, and it certainly doesn't mean that Capcom isn't working on other things. This is just a guess, as I don't work for Capcom, but I'm assuming that they're capable of working on more than one project at once.
That being said.
The Capcom guys may say that their Western audience is important to them, but the Japanese audience will always be more important to them. I mean, Gyakuten Saiban is a Japanese series. I think we're pretty lucky that it got sent over seas at all.
Anyway, Boss Velotix is right. If we want to be heard, we need to be vocal, but not in a complaining, "woe is me, Capcom sucks" kind of way. I'm all aboard for petition. The key, I suppose, is organization. How many members does Court-Records have?
Well, there's 6,684 as of two minutes ago, but at least a third of them are probably inactive. Still, I can round up my friends and force them to sign even if they don't want to. :P
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Kartoon Kween wrote:
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Look. I just don't get how the announcement of this new project has stirred such pessimistic feelings. I can understand how the concept of basing a musical off of a video game series could seem kind of "out there" to Western fans. This doesn't mean, however, that an anime will never be made. It also doesn't mean that we will never get art books or all that other stuff, and it certainly doesn't mean that Capcom isn't working on other things. This is just a guess, as I don't work for Capcom, but I'm assuming that they're capable of working on more than one project at once.
Look. I just don't get how the announcement of this new project has stirred such pessimistic feelings. I can understand how the concept of basing a musical off of a video game series could seem kind of "out there" to Western fans. This doesn't mean, however, that an anime will never be made. It also doesn't mean that we will never get art books or all that other stuff, and it certainly doesn't mean that Capcom isn't working on other things. This is just a guess, as I don't work for Capcom, but I'm assuming that they're capable of working on more than one project at once.
Yes, but we've been promised a big announcement, we patiently wait, and then get a Japanese only female only Phoenix Wright opera. Cool for the Japanese, I guess, but over here in Europe and America we pretty much had no real Ace Attorney news for a year. No release dates on Edgeworth game, or even the new Apollo Justice we're waiting for.
It's not that the musical is necessarily a bad thing, but we were all hoping for something else.
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