Here's what I want to see in GS5: more than one playable character on a case, a la 3-5. Different people working together on the investigating, sort of like the last Apollo Justice case, but at the same time.

For instance, you go out as Phoenix to talk to a suspect. The suspect tells Phoenix one thing, then he sends Apollo to go talk to them. They tell Apollo a different story. There is someplace where there's a witness who will only talk to Trucy. You can play as Ema to do some forensics work at the crime scene. You have to gather information as all these different characters and then compare notes to come up with the truth.

If that is too unwieldy, then more switching between characters, like case one you are Apollo, Case 2 you are re-barred Phoenix, case 3 maybe you are Diego as a defense attorney again.

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I had a big storyline idea a long time ago, and it took me a while to put it into words. I've not put much (or any) thought into the characters, but the idea, I've thought of for a while.

Two new characters are introduced. The names and info I made up on the spot, so I wouldn't have to keep saying "The Chairman" and "The Prosecutor" over and over.

Name: Malcolm
Occupation: Chairman
Age: 35
A nice, friendly man. Often randomly changes the subject. Hides the fact that he knows the new Prosecutor before he took up Law.

Name: Jennifer
Occupation: Prosecutor
Age: 28
A secretive woman, bitter (moreso than Ema) at times. Difficult to approach. Her reason for taking up Prosecuting is to punish people who deserve it.


Case 1
Normal introduction case whatever, the Judge introduces the new Judicial system and announces a new Chairman of the Jurist system (the guy who does pretty much everything Phoenix does in 4-4).

Case 2
You meet the Chairman, Malcolm, who's really friendly towards Apollo. New prosecutor is Jennifer. At the end of the case, the Chairman tells Apollo from what he's seen, he doesn't like Jennifer, and has an itching feeling that she might be indirectly provoking him.

Case 3
Third case, Malcolm starts acting strangely, Jennifer finally approaches you and tells you he's not to be trusted. Malcolm finds out she's been investigating him, and takes the necessary actions to take care of her.

Case 4
Murder out in a park. Jennifer's been barred from this case by the Chairman, and the prosecutor is... Winston Payne. The Judge notices Malcolm has been abusing his power, and raises the action to suspend him, which goes through, putting Jennifer on for the second day. She advises Ema to examine the scene of the crime with a police dog (Missile?), and they discover a buried body, apparently from an unsolved murder way back when. This leads to a case-in-a-case where the murderer of the exposed body is Malcolm, and the murder in the park was actually staged by Jennifer to lead them to the buried body. Reason being the two were longtime friends, but when Malcolm killed someone important in her life and kept it a secret, she found out, they became enemies and started taking devious shots at each other. Jennifer staged a murder to lead them to the buried body, instead of telling the police, because she knew Malcolm was expecting her to do so and was prepared to shoot down any accusations.

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I'd like to see maybe 1 case that isnt a murder case ("The Stolen Turnabout" in T&T was a good try).

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First of all, I think it's a bit too / heavy. Second, shouldn't it be accused of murder in case 2? Finally, do we really need another Gavin brother?

Anyway, I'd like to see Apollo being introduced to a couple, (via ), and then have one of them get bumped of by De Killer (or possibly his sucessor), and Apollo has to defend the remaining person, whilst finding the person who hired the assassin (and who, this time around, isn't the defendant!).

I mentioned this in another topic but,
what I would love to see is a horror case, with things like, a graveyard as a murder scene, the body would be found on a grave, a scythe as a murder weapon, creepy witness like a zombie-like butler, a little girl with long hair covering her eyes and holding a creepy doll, a goth or emo, and old lady with a black cat(maybe even Viola! She would fit the case.) And of course many horror movie references.
One more thing!Oldbag couldn't be left out!BTW,this forum gave this idea

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Interesting idea. I want something shocking, surprising and a bit different. I'd also like to see more humour in GS5. I mean, sometimes in T&T I was chuckling or even laughing out loud at some of the jokes and lines a lot of the time, and I didnt think AJ was as funny. Still good, just not AS funny. T&T had, IMO possibly the best script.
Phoenix's sarcastic wit in T&T is often hilarious.

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Case 1: Return of the Turnabout

Date of Crime: January 19, 2026
Date of Trial: January 25, 2026
Crime: Possession of a bomb at an airport
Defense Attorney: Phoenix Wright
Prosecutor: Winston Payne
Detective: Unspecified
Defendant: Larry Butz
Judge: Greybeard (the usual fellow)

Details:
Phoenix got his Attorney's Badge back. His first new case, oddly enough, involved defending Larry again. Larry was arrested by airport security after a bomb was found in his suitcase. Larry insists that someone put it in there when he wasn't looking (specifically, he was trying to get a woman in security to model for a drawing and left his bag unattended when he tried to follow her).



Case 2: The Silver Turnabout (Apollo's Side)

Date of Crime: Varies
Date of Trial: March 16-18, 2026
Crime: Sale of stolen goods
Defense Attorney: Apollo Justice
Prosecutor: Lana Skye
Detective: Ema Skye
Defendant: Orson Argent
Judge: Greybeard

Details:
A police trap caught a bank robber and her accomplice. The robber, Jessica Young, is on a separate trial. Her accomplice, Orson Argent, owner of Argent Jewelers, has been accused of selling Young's stolen goods--specifically, any precious stones or metals she steals. Argent is a well-known craftsman who personally crafts every item he sells. Trucy's brooch was made by him, and he's known for having a very pleasant personality. This is the first case Ema has worked on with her sister. Needless to say, she's excited about it.

Case 2: The Silver Turnabout (Phoenix's Side)

Date of Crime: March 13, 2026
Date of Trial: March 16-18, 2026
Crime: Bank Robbery
Defense Attorney: Phoenix Wright
Prosecutor: Miles Edgeworth
Detective: Ema Skye
Defendant: Jessica Young
Judge: Yevgeny Razum (new judge)

Details: A police trap caught a bank robber and her accomplice. The accomplice, Orson Argent, is on a separate trial. The robber, Jessica Young, has confessed to the crime, but both Phoenix and Miles believe there's more to the case than Young is willing to reveal--she even rejected a plea bargain that would have substantially reduced her sentence. As the two cases are connected, Ema's working on both of them. Between working for her sister in one case and her hero in another, Ema could hardly get any happier. Also, the new judge, the relatively young Yevgeny Razum, is unlike the judge Phoenix is used to; he's very clever and won't tolerate even the slightest hint of incompetence from either side.



Case 3: Duel of the Turnabouts

Date of Crime: June 20, 2026
Date of Trial: June 22-23, 2026
Crime: Murder
Victim: Chris Ayder
Defense Attorney: Apollo Justice
Prosecutor: Klavier Gavin
Detective: Ema Skye
Defendant: Yusuf Kamil
Judge: Yevgeny Razum

Details: Yusuf Kamil got into an argument at a party with Chris Ayder. That argument ended with Kamil challenging Ayder to a duel. Ayder's body was found at the scheduled dueling ground on the day the duel was supposed to have happened, shot in the left eye with Kamil's handgun. Kamil and his wife both say that the duel was canceled; Ayder had apologized two days prior to the scheduled duel. However, both Noland Baker, Kamil's second, and Ian Carlson, Ayder's second, say that the duel went as planned and Kamil shot Ayder dead.



Case 4: Turnabout of Fury (Apollo's side)

Date of Crime: September 17, 2026
Date of Trial: September 21-23, 2026
Crime: Murder
Victim: Winfred Kitaki
Defense Attorney: Apollo Justice
Prosecutor: Miles Edgeworth
Detective: Ema Skye
Defendant: Dolores Rivales
Judge: Goldbeard (Greybeard's brother)

Details: Winfred Kitaki was shot dead in front of his house in a drive-by shooting. The car belonged to the Rivales family. A gun was found in it with the fingerprints of Dolores Rivales, a well-known assassin and daughter of the current boss. The bullet's ballistic markings matched the gun. Dolores is known to have a strong grudge against the Kitakis for assassinating her husband and has been blamed by the Kitakis for the deaths of sixteen of their people. She denies involvement in Winfred's murder.



Case 4: Turnabout of Fury (Phoenix's Side)

Date of Crime: September 17, 2026
Date of Trial: September 21-23, 2026
Crime: Murder
Victim: Dong-Bak Kim
Defense Attorney: Phoenix Wright
Prosecutor: Klavier Gavin
Detective: Dick Gumshoe
Defendant: Nick Parson
Judge: Greybeard

Details: Dong-Bak Kim, a forensic scientist (and rumored to have been Ema's boyfriend), was shot dead during an investigation. A gang was under investigation for drug trafficking when the crime occurred. The defendant, Nick Parson, was a member of the gang under investigation and was the only one who had access to a gun. Parson insists that he's innocent.

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Does it seem likely they'd do something like that in a case (bombs in suitcases/terrorism) or would that be too dark for PW?

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It's a good idea, but I think it would be too short of a case, especially to the standard first cases are now.

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I think we'll see a lot more of the Gramaryes, because they're the reoccering family of the Apollo arc, like how the Fey's were in the Phoenix arc. I also think that Thalassa will be murdered in the fifth case.

I really don't want Thalassa to be killed. Apollo should know his mother!

I agree with you, but look at the tagedy of 3-5,

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I agree. Once you reach the end of GS4, you really get to like the characters and really want Apollo and Trucy to spend more time with her... Come to think of it, she might get murdered in the second case...

Phoenix might get murdered too.

Whats the music that plays in court when Phoenix/Apollo is in a tight spot (like when Klavier raises a particularly good objection?)
Hmmm.. just realised my old avitar/picture came back. Someone can remove it if it isnt allowed.

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People who've read the Turnabout Nightmare thread know my opinion on both of these. To repeat, I think killing Phoenix has more narrative merit than killing Thalassa. Killing her would seem a little too anticlimactic.

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(Wow, the quote button lit up)
Can you be more specific, like, an example of a time?

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Er... But isn't Phoenix too lucky to actually get murdered? Someone would try to, say, shoot him, and he'd wind up with a nasty bruise from where part of the tree that blocked the bullet fell down on him. Phoenix is always lucky in the outcome, but bad events always happen to him:

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Nick is both the luckiest and unluckiest man in the world. There's no way to kill him.

Sometimes his luck does run out though...

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I may be thinking of "Suspense" or "Cornered" I'm not sure. Eg, in T&T it plays when in AJ when Klavier comes up with a reason why

Sorry I cant think of better examples. :o

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That's the suspense theme.

Thanks! :)
In that case I think the suspense theme was really overused in AJ, it played a lot.

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I hope theres one good epic case in GS5, can't think what it would be though. They might run out of murder cases to do.

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Do you think that GS5 has been wprked on all this time? It feels wierd we know NOTHING about GS5 really, so how complete would it be come TGS in October?

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OK. Here's a case idea.

The scene of the crime: a newly-built mansion on a remote island. The victim: the owner of the mansion. The cause of death: a fruit knife in the heart. The suspects: his butler and maid, his brother (whom he'd been fighting with recently), and the kids who showed up to pay him a visit. The problem: he was discovered in a locked room. No way in or out, and he was found dead, flat on his back, with the knife still in him, in the room where he keeps his important papers.

How do we end up with a defendant then?

MMAAGGGGICCC!

Maybe a key was found on one of them?

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Only if they can find a way to work around the fishing line in the door trick.

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The main suspect would be the brother. One of the kids will claim to have seen the two of them arguing on the balcony, and the knife will bear his fingerprints. One of the most important aspects of the case will be to prove that there was a way he could have died, otherwise the court will feel that the knife is enough evidence. The problem is nobody else has a motive: the butler and maid are new, since the mansion is about a week old, and the children are just visitors who thought that a trip to the island would be fun. Of course, the brother has very little motive himself, but then there's the knife...

After my idea of what could have happened in 4-4 posted elsewhere, I think this would be a great twist in GS5, have a case where the killer/victim (or both) is invented and is just a product of someone's mind or something (I had an idea that Misham was actually made up by Phoenix in 4-4 when I first read it!), or the defendant is being blackmailed to say it was (non exsistant) person and not the REAL killer otherwise they will be killed.
Thoughts? :)

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The victim didn't exist? That's interesting, but how would we get a case with no body? Unless someone created a bogus identity for someone who was already dead to create a murder case. But how and why would they do that?

Well they did something like it in 3-3 , so maybe they could create an identity like that?
Oops, in that case at least there was a body.... hmmm.
And then theres Iris/Dahlia...
Havent worked out WHY they would do that though :D

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Would anyone think it would be cool if we had a but you win, and they confess after the trial? So you get them not guilty when they're actually guilty? That would be a good setup for final case.

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How would we bring them to justice?

MMMAAAGGGIICCC

Somehow. Mabye something will prove that he did it in the next case that's connected to that one. The case could just be unsolved and we prove the killer in the final case, while solving that one. Like DL-6.

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Has everyone really not realized that he's referencing the Remote Island Syndrome episodes of the Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi? The ones that had the PW parody at the end...

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Much to my dismay, I don't watch that kind of anime.

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I don't either, but I've seen it about. Look it up on YT. You can get get some remixes of it with PW soundeffects and music.

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I think we've all seen that clip, but I didn't know about the rest of the episode.

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I did. It was hilarious. Or rather, both were. The 2nd one moreso, because of the PW references.