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Now its about 6 am on a Friday morning... I've had way to much chocolate and cant sleep so I decided to convert my left over energy into a rant here on CR about Square Enix's newest chain of games being released under the Kingdom Hearts title.
Hopefully people will have comments and additions and the rant will go on and on and on.
First on the docket: Kingdom Hearts 365/2 days.
The untold story of Roxas... forgive me for not leaping for joy, but I couldn't stand the kid... Honestly, how they managed to make a character more depressing than Riku I'll never know but that being said I do want to play this game. (Yes mostly because I'm a kingdom hearts freak, I'd probably buy underwear if it was related in some way! but also because) There is a character named Xion. Backwards her name is No IX which is number 9 in roman numerals. Of course numero 9 in the organization is Demyx which makes this clue useless. Her name isn't the part that's interesting though... Its her striking resemblance to Kairi.
Spoiler: Xion Picture
Of course lefts take into account that Kairi is a Princess of Heart. That being said, it could be true that this is sufficent enough two cause her to create two very separate Nobodies. I think I read in an Ansem's report somewhere (might have been in the KH2 final mix.) that the stronger the person's heart the more their Nobody resembles them. hich means that because both Nobodies resemble Kairi, it is highly possible that they were created by the strength of a princess' of hearts heart.... (with me so far?..)
Here look at this diagram:
get it?
Beyond that the story seems to be you, Xion and Axel and various Org. XIII members searching for something, oh did I mention you have to go to a bunch of worlds that Sora went too? So basically, its Kingdom Hearts with Roxas and Riku is the bad guy...(again...)
Next I want to rant about Kingdom hearts coded for the mobile phone. Now a game for Kingdom hearts forced me to buy a gameboy advanced in order to play it. However it wasn't just a puzzle game that never ends. The story is Riku and Diz are testing their computer program for Roxas. Now your a CG Sora in CG world. Whoopie!
Lastly Birth by Sleep, which has made enough Kingdom Hearts fans lose sleep.
I (apparently >.>) am no exception. As I have spent hours on end trying to decipher, just what the hell is going on, we are inundated with screenshots from Japanese magazines, with no real answer as to what is the story or connections with the original plot. As far as I can tell the traveling duo of Ven, Aqua, and Terran are trying to stop or start something... Now the only speculation I have is that something is threatening the Princesses of Hearts. Why? Because the newest array of worlds available in BBS is irronically the places where princesses such as, Aurora, Snow White, and Cinderella. So my guess is they travel to all these places to protect the princesses, and accidentally set in motion the events of Kingdom Hearts 1. How? by creating the Heartless. The creatures in BBS are not Heartless nor are the Nobodies, however, in an interview somebody slipped that the baddies split into two new foes.
Care to hazard a guess anyone?
Thats all the theories I have for now... Remember. According to Kairi's grandmother, the worlds used to be together. Its possible that eventually in the series they will be again. Until it happens, Kingdom Hearts may never end.
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And to your comments. Intresting but some statments are a little un thought of. For example. Last time i checked
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As for Birth By sleep. Many fans know that the game revolves around the keyblade wars which was mentioned to happen before Sora's time. Also there is a scene where Terra is watching over a childhood Sora and Riku playing. What he says i dont know. But that shows it isnt to far away from Soras tale. The main villian is I believe to be a partner of the human Xemnas. I believe they menitonied him in KH II.
Also I believe that Birth by sleeps story will answer and make some things make sense on more terms of Roxas and Sora, I had a perdiction of Ven maybe being a father or brother. and Aqua being the mother of Sora, but my idea kind of faded when I saw the scene with Terra on the island. This game is a filled mystrey, it has many answers, but with it more questions arise. How itll shape up intrests me. I hope for the best with it.
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Like, the reason Namine wasn't in the Org. XIII was because she was created when Sora
On another note, there's something interesting I figured out quite a while ago.
In Japanese:
Sora = Sky
Kairi = Sea
Riku = Land
In Latin:
Ven = Wind (from the word ventus, Wind is associated with Sky)
Aqua = Water (Water is associated with Sea)
Terra = Earth (Earth is associated with Land)
Therefore...
Sora = Ven
Kairi = Aqua
Riku = Terra
Interesting, huh? I'm sure their connections will be very much exapanded upon when BBS comes out. Another thing I discovered concerning Sora, Riku, and Kairi's names are their eye colors. Sora's are light blue (sky blue), Kairi's are deep blue (ocean blue), and Riku's are green (like grass). I think the meaning of their names kind of applies to their personalities as well. However, from what's been released so far, it's easy to see that Sora, Riku, and Kairi are very different people than Ven, Terra, and Aqua. But I believe that this will become a very important part of BBS. We'll just have to see.
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I'm still going to get 358/2 no matter what.
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Here look at this diagram:
get it?
get it?
As an Organization member, Axel's and Riku's names should match without the x-letter, so I think that Axel's Somebody isn't Riku :P
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fatalfeline wrote:
And Kairi never became a Heartless, so it's safe to say that Namine (and perhaps Xion) are far from ordinary Nobodies.
For almost all of Kingdom Hearts, Kairi was a heartless.
From the moment she was in Destiny Isle, to the moment Sora
Just because she didn't look like one didn't mean she wasn't. Ansem(Heartless) was a heartless he didn't look like a weird shadow thing.
Ansem's Secret Report 10
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When a person’s heart is stolen, a Heartless is born with no sense of self, and the body and soul left behind gave rise to a Nobody. But what if one willingly releases one’s heart from one’s body? Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.
This makes me come to an amazing revelation!
When this happened, Namine was born as well as Roxas.
As it says here in Ansem's Secret Report 9 and 10
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Namine’ is a Nobody, created when a young girl’s heart left her body. Yet she had no corresponding Heartless.
This is because the “young girl” in this case was a princess. Kairi, a resident of Radiant Garden over which I had ruled, was one of the Seven Princesses that uphold the realm of light. With no darkness in her heart, Kairi produced no Heartless, and instead of vanishing, her body remained in the realm of light.
and
I believer that Namine’ was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi’s hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously. Namine’ emerged as Kairi’s Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.
This is because the “young girl” in this case was a princess. Kairi, a resident of Radiant Garden over which I had ruled, was one of the Seven Princesses that uphold the realm of light. With no darkness in her heart, Kairi produced no Heartless, and instead of vanishing, her body remained in the realm of light.
and
I believer that Namine’ was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi’s hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously. Namine’ emerged as Kairi’s Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.
Spoiler: space saver
When this happened, Xion was born.
Just a theory.
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This is true, but as far as we know correct?
The most likely senario was his heart was stolen here:
Spoiler: Saving space
Another theory.
fatalfeline wrote:
Another thing I discovered concerning Sora, Riku, and Kairi's names are their eye colors. Sora's are light blue (sky blue), Kairi's are deep blue (ocean blue), and Riku's are green (like grass).
After you said this, I immeaditly went looking at Eye colors now:
Riku's eyes = green
Axel's eyes = green
Spoiler: still saving space
Kairi's eyes = Blue
Xion's eyes = Blue
Sora's Eyes= Light blue
Roxas's eyes= Light blue
Namine's eyes= Light blue (Seriously!)
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A weak heart makes nothing but weak nobodies.
While it is true a weaker heart creates nothing but a weak heart, the weakest of strong hearts create a Nobody in a human form which is nothing like the original. While the strongest of hearts create nobodies that look close to the deceased. As stated in Secret Ansem Report number 7:
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Yet the Nobody born of someone with a strong heart retains its shape, with but the faintest visible changes.
Found here.
Found here.
Now for BBS. The relation between Terran, Ven, Aqua and Sora, Riku, Kairi. Is too much to ignore. Now this is just a theory, but what if Ven and his buddies all lived on Radient Garden and were subjected to the tests of Ansem's apprentices:
Ansem's Secret Reports 2
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Spurred on by my youngest apprentice, Ienzo, I constructed a massive laboratory in the basement of my castle. Unbeknownst to me, my six apprentices began collecting a large number of subjects on which to perform dangerous experiments into the “darkness of the heart."
That being said what if, in this experiments some how Sora, Riku and Kairi were the result. So they were sent to Destiny Isle. I would explain why they would be on a quest to discover themselves which would lead to the shot on the beach with Ven over looking Sora and Riku playing. It would be then that Ven realizes he's nothing more than a shadow and requests Terra to "erase" him.
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No fair that Psp owners get far more interesting game Birth by Sleep, which actually takes the story in a new direction, from another point of view. Ds owners get 358/2 which just explains how angsty Roxas was as an Organization member.
I'm still going to get 358/2 no matter what.
As an Organization member, Axel's and Riku's names should match without the x-letter, so I think that Axel's Somebody isn't Riku :P
I'm still going to get 358/2 no matter what.
As an Organization member, Axel's and Riku's names should match without the x-letter, so I think that Axel's Somebody isn't Riku :P
While I agree with your first statement, I disagree with your second.
Now for some of the Organization XIII has this as a rule:
Ienzo - Zexion
Even - Vexen
Dilan - Xaldin
Sora - Roxas
Ansem - Xemnas
Elenar - Larxene
Aeleus - Lexaeus
Braig - Xigbar
But for others it just doesn't add up.
Axel - Ale, Lea, Lae, Ael, Ela, Eal (do those names make sense?)
Xion - Ino, Oni (Not Kairi, thats for sure...)
Saix - Sai, Ias, Ais (ok?)
Demyx - Dyme, Yemd, Medy (If there was an L in the last one, it'd be Medly)
Luxord - Lord U (oh fancy)
Marluxia - Lumaria ( Woman O.o, would make alot of sense actually.)
As you can see, adding an X in the name is not always the case.
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Roxas. Sora with an X in his name.
Xion. Resembles Kairi but isn't the way the names are spelt.
Axel. who he heck knows whats up with this guy?
Ansem's Secret Reports tell that Namine and Roxas don't retain any memories from their as Somebodies as they would normally. This is because when they became Heartless they one way or another got their hearts back swiftly. Here's how:
Kairi + turning into Heartless / makes Xion = Puts her heart in Sora's body. = Xion has no memories.
Sora + takes keyblade to himself / makes Namine = Returns Kairi's heart to her body. = Namine has no memories.
Sora + takes keyblade to himself unlocking his heart freely / makes Roxas. = Kairi returns his heart to him somehow. = Roxas has no memories.
Now during the naming ceremony, the probably just ask what your name was and put an X in it. Now what if Axel just showed up and he had no idea what his name was because:
Riku + Gives himself freely into the darkness / Makes Axel. = Is able to get his heart back due to not fearing the darkness.=Axel has no memories.
So, never seeing this before the person naming Axel just made up a name and gave it to him. Since Nobodies don't actually exist, the only thing they do have is the memories of their past life. Axel, devoid of everything that proves his existence decides that the way he'll make himself feel alive is to force others to remember who is now, and forget learning who he was.
Hence the reason he says: Got it memorized?
Xion, Roxas, and Axel without memories go on a journey to discover their Somebodies. Something Riku can't allow to happen, due to the fact that Sora's memories were wrecked in castle oblivion. So he has to stall them. That might be the plot of Kingdom Hearts 365/2 days
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And I never heard about Axel being Riku's nobody. Simply because I never knew he lost his heart. I mean, when is the point he lost his heart and gained it back? (okay, you answered when he first lost it, but I don't think I saw the answer to when he got it back... or did I miss something?)
My only problem, other than the above, with that nit-picky theory is that the ages... don't really match up. Axel looks much older than he should, in my opinion.
Other than that, I guess Xion's remarkable similarity to Kairi is... strange, but we can't simply say "New Character!"? I dunno.... I really shouldn't be posting, due to my limited knowledge, but thought I would, anyhow.
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fatalfeline wrote:
Why does everyone think that Axel might be Riku's Nobody? From what we've seen, all of the members of the Organization resemble their former selves in some way, especially in the face. Besides the fact that they both have green eyes (and I think they are both different shades of green) Riku and Axel look NOTHING alike. It doesn't make sense to me.
This is very true, but answer me this. When was the last time you saw Riku smile like this?
But in all seriousness, I do think Riku's Nobody is Axel because I always go back to what is said in the (real) Ansem reports.
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Yet the Nobody born of someone with a strong heart retains its shape, with but the faintest visible changes.
Riku gave his heart freely to the darkness, but as he states in Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories. He was still afraid. His heart wasn't strong enough to make a Nobody that resembled him in anyway except in his eyes and mannerisms.
and secondly there is no proof to the fact that the other Nobodies look anything like their former selves. Xemnas, Roxas, and Namine are the only ones we know that look anything like their former selves, but 3 out of 14 isn't good odds.
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Holy crap, I've been out of the loop for too long on these games. Xion!? I didn't even hear about her.
Well actually, that news just came out and I jumped on it :P
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And I never heard about Axel being Riku's nobody. Simply because I never knew he lost his heart. I mean, when is the point he lost his heart and gained it back? (okay, you answered when he first lost it, but I don't think I saw the answer to when he got it back... or did I miss something?)
Ansem (the real one) said that strong heartless are born with their hearts when they give themselves over freely to darkness. Xahanort retained his human for as a heartless, as did Sora and Kairi. So when Riku gave himself up to the darkness he retained his heart but the fear of the darkness even for a split second caused his Nobodie to be drastically different.
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My only problem, other than the above, with that nit-picky theory is that the ages... don't really match up. Axel looks much older than he should, in my opinion.
I got back to the drasiically different but its my only proof... Perhaps its because Riku had more of Xahanort's heartless in him that caused Axel to be a different age than Riku, possibly the circumstances of Axel's birth ar ethe same as Namine's. A bit of both Riku's and Xahanort's hearts created Axel.
Other than that all I have to say is, Nobodies don't age. It's possible that Axel was born older because it was a sign of when Riku's heart would have been strong enough. Ergo weilding a keyblade.
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I got back to the drasiically different but its my only proof... Perhaps its because Riku had more of Xahanort's heartless in him that caused Axel to be a different age than Riku, possibly the circumstances of Axel's birth ar ethe same as Namine's. A bit of both Riku's and Xahanort's hearts created Axel.
Actually you have no proof, to claim Axel is Riku's nobody is merely a assumption you made based off some similarities but by no means counts and proof of any kind that Axel is in fact Riku's Nobody. Unless you had a secret report or something that directly says "Axel is Riku's nobody" It is nothing more then a theory, ergo, not proof, just a thought. Perhaps the DS KH game will actually tell us, maybe it wont.
For example I know of a example that agrees with your thought that Axel is Riku's Nobody. In the screen shots and trailers for the DS game, Roxas, Axel and the 14th member are all hanging out, somewhat pulling a Sora, Riku, Kairi like presence, But of course this could simply be a well planned trick to throw you off. Either way no one can say for sure who Riku's nobody is, if he even has one, untill actual hard evidence appears, Please keep your theory's and proof separate. It could cause a lot of confusion to others.
And this may sound a little nit picky but this is supposed to be where we share our ideas, not be shown your thoughts to prove our theories or thoughts wrong, and being corrected all the time, this is meant to share logics, not show were wrong when you can be just as wrong.
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I got back to the drasiically different but its my only proof... Perhaps its because Riku had more of Xahanort's heartless in him that caused Axel to be a different age than Riku, possibly the circumstances of Axel's birth ar ethe same as Namine's. A bit of both Riku's and Xahanort's hearts created Axel.
Actually you have no proof, to claim Axel is Riku's nobody is merely a assumption you made based off some similarities but by no means counts and proof of any kind that Axel is in fact Riku's Nobody. Unless you had a secret report or something that directly says "Axel is Riku's nobody" It is nothing more then a theory, ergo, not proof, just a thought. Perhaps the DS KH game will actually tell us, maybe it wont.
For example I know of a example that agrees with your thought that Axel is Riku's Nobody. In the screen shots and trailers for the DS game, Roxas, Axel and the 14th member are all hanging out, somewhat pulling a Sora, Riku, Kairi like presence, But of course this could simply be a well planned trick to throw you off. Either way no one can say for sure who Riku's nobody is, if he even has one, untill actual hard evidence appears, Please keep your theory's and proof separate. It could cause a lot of confusion to others.
And this may sound a little nit picky but this is supposed to be where we share our ideas, not be shown your thoughts to prove our theories or thoughts wrong, and being corrected all the time, this is meant to share logics, not show were wrong when you can be just as wrong.
Your absolutly right!
However I'm not debunk other's theories, as none has shown up here. Instead everyone has been trying to debunk my theories with other evidence. Which only makes my theories grow.
You're 100% correct however, my theories have no proof and are only theories. However, isn't that why I made this? I wanted people to share their theories on the KH universe as well as debunk other theories. I'm not saying I'm totally right, or that other people are totally wrong. I'm only stating my theories with strong evidence and chasing them with conviction.
On that note, I'd like to put the other member's of Organization 13 on the table. The ansem reports mentions 6 of the members as his apprentices working under Xahanort's tutelage.
Who could the last remaining members be nobodies of?
Not only that but the enigmatic connection between the three heroes and the journey of Terra, Aqua and Ven are also to be discussed. (Perhaps there isn't enough info on this game.)
Again I state this is a spot for claiming and debunking theories. Not a spot of actualities. Beyond what I can prove without a shadow of a doubt, the rest is all shooting in the dark.
However, isn't shooting into the dark what Kingdom Hearts is all about?
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I'm interested in Xion, myself. I mean, we don't know where she came from, other than she looks like Kairi. However, I noticed that she looks more like younger Kairi than older Kairi.
Namine looks more like KH2 Kairi while Xion looks more like KH1 Kairi. Do you think this is on purpose? I thought it was interesting.
Another thing: Namine and Xion, as far as physical looks, look like... what's the word... "opposites". I mean, Namine is more "angelic" like with her blonde hair and white outfit. Xion, however, besides her black nobody cloak, has darker, pretty much black hair. This interests me. I think your theory about the fact that Kairi was a princess could have caused two nobodies somehow has validation.
Namine has that strange power to manipulate memories, right? I mean, no other nobody really has any such power. What if, being the more "angelic" one, Namine is perhaps a "Princess" nobody, while Xion is Kairi's own Nobody.
I know it sounds weird, but I only say this because, I've always imagined Princesses' hearts being somehow passed down as a sort of inheritance, not necessarily being one with the "host" if that makes any sense.
Sorry, I know it sounds confusing, but you wanted new theories, so here we go!
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If you see her in RE:CoM, then in KH2, there's a definite difference.
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Caelestis wrote:
Hm, it's an interesting theory (Axel being Riku's nobody) but I guess I'll have to wait to see concrete proof before I can really say anything. I mean, why doesn't Axel have a keyblade?
Thats a good question... Possibly because Riku's heart wasn't strong enough to weild a keyblade at Axel's conception... Just a theory but no more Axel/Riku till we can get more proof.
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I'm interested in Xion, myself. I mean, we don't know where she came from, other than she looks like Kairi. However, I noticed that she looks more like younger Kairi than older Kairi.
Namine looks more like KH2 Kairi while Xion looks more like KH1 Kairi. Do you think this is on purpose? I thought it was interesting.
Another thing: Namine and Xion, as far as physical looks, look like... what's the word... "opposites". I mean, Namine is more "angelic" like with her blonde hair and white outfit. Xion, however, besides her black nobody cloak, has darker, pretty much black hair. This interests me. I think your theory about the fact that Kairi was a princess could have caused two nobodies somehow has validation.
Namine has that strange power to manipulate memories, right? I mean, no other nobody really has any such power. What if, being the more "angelic" one, Namine is perhaps a "Princess" nobody, while Xion is Kairi's own Nobody.
I know it sounds weird, but I only say this because, I've always imagined Princesses' hearts being somehow passed down as a sort of inheritance, not necessarily being one with the "host" if that makes any sense.
Sorry, I know it sounds confusing, but you wanted new theories, so here we go!Let the bashing begin!
Namine looks more like KH2 Kairi while Xion looks more like KH1 Kairi. Do you think this is on purpose? I thought it was interesting.
Another thing: Namine and Xion, as far as physical looks, look like... what's the word... "opposites". I mean, Namine is more "angelic" like with her blonde hair and white outfit. Xion, however, besides her black nobody cloak, has darker, pretty much black hair. This interests me. I think your theory about the fact that Kairi was a princess could have caused two nobodies somehow has validation.
Namine has that strange power to manipulate memories, right? I mean, no other nobody really has any such power. What if, being the more "angelic" one, Namine is perhaps a "Princess" nobody, while Xion is Kairi's own Nobody.
I know it sounds weird, but I only say this because, I've always imagined Princesses' hearts being somehow passed down as a sort of inheritance, not necessarily being one with the "host" if that makes any sense.
Sorry, I know it sounds confusing, but you wanted new theories, so here we go!
You just blew my mind alittle.
Namine is more angelic, yes that's very true. Xion seems like a demonic version, Her name without the X being Oni which is Japenese for Ogre. But the problem with Xion being a darker side of Kairi is, Kairi is a princess who has no darkness in her heart, which would mean Xion couldn't be a darker version. However! Kairi did not become a heartless, the light in her heart is what shielded her and kept her in an inanimate human form. Could it be possible that Xion is actually Kairi's Nobody combined with any darkness needed to create Kairi's heartless? It would be conceiveable then to state that Kairi only had one Nobody, that being Namine, while Xion is part nobodie, part Heartless. Only a theory.
fatalfeline wrote:
One weird thing I noticed is that Namine actually ages.
If you see her in RE:CoM, then in KH2, there's a definite difference.
If you see her in RE:CoM, then in KH2, there's a definite difference.
Really?
I'm slighted to agree with you but one could also argue the difference between graphics right? I guess the most compelling evidence is height in this case. In CoM Namine is about an inch shorter than Sora. Then in KH 2 she's the same height as Kairi. Who we see is about an inch shorter than Sora. End analysis? Namine aged which makes her even more unique.
(And I think Tinker's trumping all our theories here with Rafiki, I knew that he planned it all along!
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I read somewhere that Axel's original name was Alex, they just moved the name around because he already had an x in it.
That's very possible, and actually the most plausible name for Axel.
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You just blew my mind alittle.
Bwahahaha! Exactly my plan! *shot* sorry, didn't mean to be so confusing
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Namine is more angelic, yes that's very true. Xion seems like a demonic version, Her name without the X being Oni which is Japenese for Ogre. But the problem with Xion being a darker side of Kairi is, Kairi is a princess who has no darkness in her heart, which would mean Xion couldn't be a darker version. However! Kairi did not become a heartless, the light in her heart is what shielded her and kept her in an inanimate human form. Could it be possible that Xion is actually Kairi's Nobody combined with any darkness needed to create Kairi's heartless? It would be conceiveable then to state that Kairi only had one Nobody, that being Namine, while Xion is part nobodie, part Heartless. Only a theory.
Xion--> Oni. Huh, I didn't see that before. Interesting connection (I know what Onis are.)
And your theory is similar to what I was trying to convey XD But I wonder... has there been any record of other princesses having their hearts taken? I mean, what if this whole Namine and Xion thing is because Kairi is a princess?
That reminds me; when Xehanort took those other princesses, did he take their hearts, too? If so, where are their nobodies?
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Caelestis wrote:
Skeledude12 wrote:
You just blew my mind alittle.
Bwahahaha! Exactly my plan! *shot* sorry, didn't mean to be so confusing
Skeledude12 wrote:
Namine is more angelic, yes that's very true. Xion seems like a demonic version, Her name without the X being Oni which is Japenese for Ogre. But the problem with Xion being a darker side of Kairi is, Kairi is a princess who has no darkness in her heart, which would mean Xion couldn't be a darker version. However! Kairi did not become a heartless, the light in her heart is what shielded her and kept her in an inanimate human form. Could it be possible that Xion is actually Kairi's Nobody combined with any darkness needed to create Kairi's heartless? It would be conceiveable then to state that Kairi only had one Nobody, that being Namine, while Xion is part nobodie, part Heartless. Only a theory.
Xion--> Oni. Huh, I didn't see that before. Interesting connection (I know what Onis are.)
And your theory is similar to what I was trying to convey XD But I wonder... has there been any record of other princesses having their hearts taken? I mean, what if this whole Namine and Xion thing is because Kairi is a princess?
That reminds me; when Xehanort took those other princesses, did he take their hearts, too? If so, where are their nobodies?
When I said you blew my mind alittle, I meant you expanded it! Made me realize stuff!
And as for the other princesses, all Xahonort did was make a Keblade with their hearts. However, you do have a point. Maybe the Princesses of Heart all still have Nobodies running around or perhaps because their hearts got turned into that Keyblade and then returned to them. Its possible that there was no Nobodies created. Another thing, did Xahonort make that Keyblade or was it Maleficent?
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I read somewhere that Axel's original name was Alex, they just moved the name around because he already had an x in it.
That's very possible, and actually the most plausible name for Axel.
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Nobodies are the ghosts of peoples selves, a memory. Its not surprising that Axel and Roxas would be friends if in their minds they already were (aka Sora and Riku's friendship) its a faint memory. Actually, I'm going to disagree. Nobodies can feel, even if its just a memory of a feeling. Demyx 'felt' fear when he confronted Sora the first time. Vexen feels curiosity and he feels that he's being disrespected. So I dont believe Nobodies dont have feelings.
its possible that it wasn't Xion they were excluding... or possibly its because Namine was born. Xion is one half of a whole. So really they'd be Organization 13.5 or 13 and a half. Its possible that the founding members of Organization 13 recognized Xion as Kairi's nobodie due to the fact that she once lived in Radiant Garden. However, thats fishing >.> its also possible hat Xion Keyblade was truly a fake and Namine had the other half of it. The Keyblade Kairi receives from Riku is that/the key...
Roxas could use the Keybade because Sora could, not because his heart was strong...We know that Kairi can do the same and now Riku as well. Aparently Jack Sparrow can do the same one day. Shouldn't the princesses be able to all use keyblades?
If this is true, how could there be a keyblade war? its all very odd... that there were enough Keybladers to start a war, but now there's only four (five including Xion) that can wield it at all.
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I'm glad that we have another board for other video games cause all this Phoenix Wright sure makes a guy miss the games he used to love... one of my all time favorites is Kingdom Hearts.
Now its about 6 am on a Friday morning... I've had way to much chocolate and cant sleep so I decided to convert my left over energy into a rant here on CR about Square Enix's newest chain of games being released under the Kingdom Hearts title.
Hopefully people will have comments and additions and the rant will go on and on and on.
First on the docket: Kingdom Hearts 365/2 days.
The untold story of Roxas... forgive me for not leaping for joy, but I couldn't stand the kid... Honestly, how they managed to make a character more depressing than Riku I'll never know but that being said I do want to play this game. (Yes mostly because I'm a kingdom hearts freak, I'd probably buy underwear if it was related in some way! but also because) There is a character named Xion. Backwards her name is No IX which is number 9 in roman numerals. Of course numero 9 in the organization is Demyx which makes this clue useless. Her name isn't the part that's interesting though... Its her striking resemblance to Kairi.
Of course lefts take into account that Kairi is a Princess of Heart. That being said, it could be true that this is sufficent enough two cause her to create two very separate Nobodies. I think I read in an Ansem's report somewhere (might have been in the KH2 final mix.) that the stronger the person's heart the more their Nobody resembles them. hich means that because both Nobodies resemble Kairi, it is highly possible that they were created by the strength of a princess' of hearts heart.... (with me so far?..)
Here look at this diagram:
get it?
Beyond that the story seems to be you, Xion and Axel and various Org. XIII members searching for something, oh did I mention you have to go to a bunch of worlds that Sora went too? So basically, its Kingdom Hearts with Roxas and Riku is the bad guy...(again...)
Next I want to rant about Kingdom hearts coded for the mobile phone. Now a game for Kingdom hearts forced me to buy a gameboy advanced in order to play it. However it wasn't just a puzzle game that never ends. The story is Riku and Diz are testing their computer program for Roxas. Now your a CG Sora in CG world. Whoopie!
Lastly Birth by Sleep, which has made enough Kingdom Hearts fans lose sleep.
I (apparently >.>) am no exception. As I have spent hours on end trying to decipher, just what the hell is going on, we are inundated with screenshots from Japanese magazines, with no real answer as to what is the story or connections with the original plot. As far as I can tell the traveling duo of Ven, Aqua, and Terran are trying to stop or start something... Now the only speculation I have is that something is threatening the Princesses of Hearts. Why? Because the newest array of worlds available in BBS is irronically the places where princesses such as, Aurora, Snow White, and Cinderella. So my guess is they travel to all these places to protect the princesses, and accidentally set in motion the events of Kingdom Hearts 1. How? by creating the Heartless. The creatures in BBS are not Heartless nor are the Nobodies, however, in an interview somebody slipped that the baddies split into two new foes.
Care to hazard a guess anyone?
Thats all the theories I have for now... Remember. According to Kairi's grandmother, the worlds used to be together. Its possible that eventually in the series they will be again. Until it happens, Kingdom Hearts may never end.
Now its about 6 am on a Friday morning... I've had way to much chocolate and cant sleep so I decided to convert my left over energy into a rant here on CR about Square Enix's newest chain of games being released under the Kingdom Hearts title.
Hopefully people will have comments and additions and the rant will go on and on and on.
First on the docket: Kingdom Hearts 365/2 days.
The untold story of Roxas... forgive me for not leaping for joy, but I couldn't stand the kid... Honestly, how they managed to make a character more depressing than Riku I'll never know but that being said I do want to play this game. (Yes mostly because I'm a kingdom hearts freak, I'd probably buy underwear if it was related in some way! but also because) There is a character named Xion. Backwards her name is No IX which is number 9 in roman numerals. Of course numero 9 in the organization is Demyx which makes this clue useless. Her name isn't the part that's interesting though... Its her striking resemblance to Kairi.
Spoiler: Xion Picture
Of course lefts take into account that Kairi is a Princess of Heart. That being said, it could be true that this is sufficent enough two cause her to create two very separate Nobodies. I think I read in an Ansem's report somewhere (might have been in the KH2 final mix.) that the stronger the person's heart the more their Nobody resembles them. hich means that because both Nobodies resemble Kairi, it is highly possible that they were created by the strength of a princess' of hearts heart.... (with me so far?..)
Here look at this diagram:
get it?
Beyond that the story seems to be you, Xion and Axel and various Org. XIII members searching for something, oh did I mention you have to go to a bunch of worlds that Sora went too? So basically, its Kingdom Hearts with Roxas and Riku is the bad guy...(again...)
Next I want to rant about Kingdom hearts coded for the mobile phone. Now a game for Kingdom hearts forced me to buy a gameboy advanced in order to play it. However it wasn't just a puzzle game that never ends. The story is Riku and Diz are testing their computer program for Roxas. Now your a CG Sora in CG world. Whoopie!
Lastly Birth by Sleep, which has made enough Kingdom Hearts fans lose sleep.
I (apparently >.>) am no exception. As I have spent hours on end trying to decipher, just what the hell is going on, we are inundated with screenshots from Japanese magazines, with no real answer as to what is the story or connections with the original plot. As far as I can tell the traveling duo of Ven, Aqua, and Terran are trying to stop or start something... Now the only speculation I have is that something is threatening the Princesses of Hearts. Why? Because the newest array of worlds available in BBS is irronically the places where princesses such as, Aurora, Snow White, and Cinderella. So my guess is they travel to all these places to protect the princesses, and accidentally set in motion the events of Kingdom Hearts 1. How? by creating the Heartless. The creatures in BBS are not Heartless nor are the Nobodies, however, in an interview somebody slipped that the baddies split into two new foes.
Care to hazard a guess anyone?
Thats all the theories I have for now... Remember. According to Kairi's grandmother, the worlds used to be together. Its possible that eventually in the series they will be again. Until it happens, Kingdom Hearts may never end.
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PS. I got Coded wrong. Jiminey and Mickey are reviewing the journals when they find that there is two. The first one is complete he second has two passages. "Thank Namine" and "We must ease their sorrow." Confused, Mickey fires up the computer and creates a virtual Sora (that's you) to play through the diary in a series of puzzle games in order to discover the meaning of the second passage.
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Me thinks it could be the souls of things that were never made or born, or maybe something to do with a person?
I'm pretty curious about this Unbirth things here, like the Heartless and Nobodies, there are weak and strong Unbirths, some which are even bosses.
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Anyway, I don't feel like thinking at the moment... But I was always curious about how the keyblades... you know.... worked.
Sora has a keyblade because he's the chosen wielder to close hearts (that's what his keyblade does; closes hearts to darkness)
Mickey... I don't really know. What does it do and does he have it 'cause he's the king?
Riku received the key that opened hearts in the beginning; I'm guessing he got this from Maleficent as a result of tampering in the darkness (I'm still annoyed that we don't officially know if he has a nobody...). But he later gains the Twilight (right?) keyblade as a result of staying in the light, but using the darkness powers because he's good with it (I guess...); thanks to Namine in letting him know he could in CoM.
Kairi... has a fancy keyblade. In my fanon mind, I see it as a sort of "key of light". I think it's something princesses just... get. But why in the world did Riku have it!?
Anyway, those are my thoughts. By the way, am I the only person whose fanon mind sometimes wonders if Xehanort is Riku's father? (heck, their hair color is the same!!!) lol.
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I have one thing to say to you Super Fans...My head hurts from trying to read your theories....Owww....
Lol, I'd hardly consider myself a superfan; I simply relish in strange theories
My head hurt, too, when I first tried to read these posts, but you kinda need to get into the mindset, I suppose, lol.
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I totally forgot how Keyblades were created, but apparently they were much more common in the past (i.e. Birth By Sleep) than in present KH.
In KH1 we were under the impression that there were only three.... but Sora's was the most special one for some reason. Then there's at least three more Keyblades that show up by the end of KH2. XD
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Kairi... has a fancy keyblade. In my fanon mind, I see it as a sort of "key of light". I think it's something princesses just... get. But why in the world did Riku have it!?
I think that says something about Riku...
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Kairi... has a fancy keyblade. In my fanon mind, I see it as a sort of "key of light". I think it's something princesses just... get. But why in the world did Riku have it!?
I think that says something about Riku...
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First things first Keyblades: The theories are numerous. Not one is proved right due to the ever enigmatic "Keyblade war."
My favorite theory is there was only ever 4 Keyblades ever. Sora's numerous Keyblade styles are due to the Keyblade's ability to sap magic properties from its keychain.
The four keyblades are as follows: Light, Dark, Twilight, Dawn. Sora's Keyblade is the Light. Riku found the key of Darkness but uses the key of Twilight. Kairi weilds the key of darkness because she is the only one who can. Mickey weilds the Dawn.
Riku has the Key that Kairi is to own because Xion had it. My only guess other than him just taking it. Is she asked him to give it to her when she dies.
(Ever notice that its Riku's fault that theories even exist?)
Next is the Unbirths: I've heard speculation that they are the third piece that the body losses when a heartless is created. Heart, mind, and soul. Although, why don't they exist in Kingdom Hearts 1?
I also read, that they split at the end of BBS into two separate entities. Anyone care to guess what those two things might be?
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Skeledude12 wrote:
Ok Wow I need to check this more often XD
First things first Keyblades: The theories are numerous. Not one is proved right due to the ever enigmatic "Keyblade war."
My favorite theory is there was only ever 4 Keyblades ever. Sora's numerous Keyblade styles are due to the Keyblade's ability to sap magic properties from its keychain.
The four keyblades are as follows: Light, Dark, Twilight, Dawn. Sora's Keyblade is the Light. Riku found the key of Darkness but uses the key of Twilight. Kairi weilds the key of darkness because she is the only one who can. Mickey weilds the Dawn.
Riku has the Key that Kairi is to own because Xion had it. My only guess other than him just taking it. Is she asked him to give it to her when she dies.
(Ever notice that its Riku's fault that theories even exist?)
Next is the Unbirths: I've heard speculation that they are the third piece that the body losses when a heartless is created. Heart, mind, and soul. Although, why don't they exist in Kingdom Hearts 1?
I also read, that they split at the end of BBS into two separate entities. Anyone care to guess what those two things might be?
First things first Keyblades: The theories are numerous. Not one is proved right due to the ever enigmatic "Keyblade war."
My favorite theory is there was only ever 4 Keyblades ever. Sora's numerous Keyblade styles are due to the Keyblade's ability to sap magic properties from its keychain.
The four keyblades are as follows: Light, Dark, Twilight, Dawn. Sora's Keyblade is the Light. Riku found the key of Darkness but uses the key of Twilight. Kairi weilds the key of darkness because she is the only one who can. Mickey weilds the Dawn.
Riku has the Key that Kairi is to own because Xion had it. My only guess other than him just taking it. Is she asked him to give it to her when she dies.
(Ever notice that its Riku's fault that theories even exist?)
Next is the Unbirths: I've heard speculation that they are the third piece that the body losses when a heartless is created. Heart, mind, and soul. Although, why don't they exist in Kingdom Hearts 1?
I also read, that they split at the end of BBS into two separate entities. Anyone care to guess what those two things might be?
I have a hard time believing only four keyblades ever existed, only because the screenshots of the previews show a different story.
Your idea of the keyblades is also interesting. But I have a hard time thinking Kairi's is darkness. Not because it doesn't make sense, but because... well, no offense, but look at it:
Spoiler: big
I dunno, it doesn't look like darkness to me...
Anyway, just thought I'd put that out there
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Yeah, that thing is seriously girly. If that is darkness, then the world is seriously messed up.
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yuzikichan wrote:
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Yeah, that thing is seriously girly. If that is darkness, then the world is seriously messed up.
It looks more of the key of Light, which makes more sense because she is a Princess of Heart.
Do you think that that keyblade would have a different effect when she uses it? Like instead of vanquishing the Heartless, she could restore the person back to his or her normal self like she did with Sora in KH?
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I made a mistake the key of Darkness is actually Mickey's which is why its like the key of light (Sora's) only the colors are reversed.
Kairi's is the Keyblade of Dawn,
Riku's is Twilight,
Look at the colors on Kairis again as well as the images. It's girls but did you ever think of why?
At the one end is flowers ------------------------ At the other end is waves.
Radient Garden---------------------------------- Destiny Ilse.
Dark-------------------------------------------- Light.
Night------------------------------------------- Rising sun.
Its also a possibility that there are only four real Keyblades and the rest are fakes. Could this be the reason 3 of the four Keyblades were at the center on all of the other keyblades?
Not only that but they were worn down, beaten up. Real Keyblades are merely an extension of its hosts heart. Thus they cannot be worn away by the elements or break.
Also Master Xahanort was able to control them with a wave of his hand, could anyone do that?
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Okay, I'm gonna change the subject on you guys. I just have to put this out here 'cause my friends and I argue about this all the time.
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Your friends might wanna take a look around the KH fanbase, there are people who ship Roxas and Axel.
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