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It isn't that strange to me, even though I'm more of a Phoenix/Edgeworth fan, myself.
But I sure a shell prefer Edgeworth/Gumhoe over Edgeworth/Maya ANY day. =P
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That said, I still love the pairing. I think an actual, mutual relationship would be a VERY hard thing for them to pull off, all things considered. They'd both have to change their mindset and it would face a LOT of contraversy. You have to spend a while explaining away Edgeworth's actions to get the pairing to not be creepy.
But I still love it. Gumshoe's absolute devotion is far too adorable for words. Croik's Steady Inhale made the pairing work beautifully. And just all the little bits in the game, like Gumshoe getting the files off of the top of Edgeworth's bookcase because there's a ladder and he's afraid of heights, or Gumshoe going to check on Edgeworth when there's been an earthquake, or their interactions in JFA, or Edgeworth's legendary "WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOP" (which I think is especially adorable when you take into consideration that Edgeworth basically uses "whoop" to mean "thank you." It's sort of a stretch, but I think he might have been trying to thank Gumshoe for being so devoted).
So yeah, it's not something that could EVER happen in canon in a million years, but I think it's cute and for me it just sort of has that "d'awww" factor, which is why it has a fanbase but not a whole lot of fanfics/art, prolly.
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It's been suggested several times in the favorite pairings thread. (Was actually the first PW fanfic I ever did~)
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In a way, I kinda prefer it over Phoenix and Miles, just because there are so many combos otherwise with Nick (Maya, Ayame,
) Granted some don't make the faintest bit of sense and Miles still probably tops the list, but in the fandom world...
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Personally, I'm a little skeptical of all PW pairings because nothing is sure, and everything is a matter of how one interprets it. I think pairings are especially hard to prove in this specific fandom. Someone could see GumshoexEdgeworth as totally platonic while someone else could see them as potentially having (or even already having) a relationship.
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But I sure a shell prefer Edgeworth/Gumhoe over Edgeworth/Maya ANY day. =P
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You don't have to put it like that, pal.Seriously though, I don't mind Edgey/Gumshoe. Especially when Gumshoe was talking about their "working relationship."
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1010 wrote:
... You don't have to put it like that, pal.
You don't have to put it like that, pal.*smirk*
Oh, but I did, sweetie~.
And I'm going to save my reasons and such for a least-favorite pairing thread. *nods*
All in all?
You know... After reading Croik's fanfic and some people's reasons on why they like the pairing over at another thread... I think It's become a third favorite of mine. *grin*
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I've never heard a person suggest Edgeworth/Gumshoe. Ever. It seems as possible as any of the other pairings out there, no? I mean... all of the respect and admiration Gumshoe shows Edgeworth and how easily Edgeworth bosses Gumshoe around....
It's not a particularly unusual pairing, honestly. I know I made plenty of jokes about Gumshoe's RAGING CRUSH when I played through the first game.
I think that the reason it's not quite as popular is because it sort of falls apart when you try to think about the logistics of it, and then in GS2~3, Gumshoe's admiration is severely tempered in comparison to the first game. Add that and a love interest (Maggey) with pretty obviously requitted feelings and I think it's pretty natural why it hasn't caught on like the BEAST THAT ATE FANDOM.
Gumshoe is perhaps one of the few people that can put up with Edgeworth, but, frankly that's the last thing Edgeworth needs IMO. If Gumshoe is unwilling to challenge Edgeworth, that might make him a wonderful, loyal subordinate but I don't think it does much good when Edgeworth is doing something wrong. Coupled with my opinion that even trying to get the relationship started would result in something like this.
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: No.Even if Edgeworth wanted to, I can't see him allowing himself to date someone that is a coworker and he outranks. I'm always willing to be persuaded, though.
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Phantom Phoenix wrote:
I also found myself making jokes about Gumshoe's obvious crush on Edgeworth. However, Musouka raises an interesting argument about a potential relationship between him and Edgeworth. Edgeworth takes a lot of pride in his work, and come to think of it, I'm not sure if I could see him dating/being involved with someone he outranks either. I also agree that Edgeworth would need to feel like he was being challenged and frankly, I don't think Gumshoe could offer that in a relationship with him.
Wait a minute I thought Gumshoe liked Maggey...
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is cuter and better IMO.you need to hang around the fandom longer.
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
No, you're pretty strange.
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Quoted simply 'cuz it made me lawl.
Anywho, I think it's rather obvious that Gumshoe likes Maggey, so the idea of even a one-sided crush doesn't seem likely to me.
It's possible they what they have is, in fact, nothing more than a deep, trusting PLATONIC relationship. I guess if you haven't heard much of EdgeworthxGumshoe, it's because my opinion's a common one.Then again, anything is possible in the world of Fandom. I sure think they'd be cute together. ^^
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Gerkuman wrote:
Gumshoe obviously respects and admires Edgeworth a lot, but then, so does Ema in 1-5. Maggey has a similar attitude towards Gumshoe in 2-1 (The events in 3-3 show their relationship towards each other has matured). Since Gumshoe doesn't change his opinion throughout the series (There are no signs of anything else), Edgey isn't interested (He's never been the sort of person to dwell on love) and Gumshoe seems more of a Hetero Character (It's obvious he crushes massively on Maggey) I think it's just a large case of Hero Worship, and possibly some degree of friendship. (Edgey saves Gumshoes job in 2-4, and its implied he did a similar thing in 1-5 before he left)
Well, you can't really compare Gumshoe to Ema for the simple reason that Ema knows NOTHING about Edgeworth. She just likes his image. Gumshoe knows enough to rush to check up on him as soon as there's an earthquake.
And yeah, Gumshoe is pretty straight overall and after the first game he stops raving about Edgeworth. Then again, Edgeworth wasn't in the second two games nearly as much as the first and he wasn't in as much trouble, either.
I also don't think the idea that Gumshoe would NEVER challenge anything Edgeworth does is correct. He challenged Edgeworth taking advantage of Adrian's disorder in 2-4. We didn't see him talking to/about Edgeworth much in 1-2 and 1-3 so we can't really judge based on that. In 1-5 he challenged Edgeworth about...something or other.
That said, Gumshoe's obvious crush DOES sort of disappear in the second game and from what I'm hearing the third, too, and it's replaced by an even more obvious crush on Maggey. With the exception of the way he talked about Edgeworth in the first game, we have no reason to think that Gumshoe's not straight, given comments from him about women's appearances, his crush on Maggey, etc. And in 1-5, it's Maggey's picture that appears in Gumshoe's evidence locker, not Edgeworth's. Also, the idea of Edgeworth in ANY sort of intimate relationship makes me skeptical all things considered, much less one with a subordinate and a sort of dumb one at that.
But...I still love them. Romantically speaking, of course it would never happen in canon, not in a million years, and even in fanon you have to bend things to make it work. But if we're speaking NOT romantically? Their relationship is enough to leave me constantly squealing.
Gumshoe's devotion, trust, and compassion may not be what Edgeworth needs, but it's CUTE. And to some degree, Edgeworth cares about him enough to no doubt consider him a good friend. He trusted him enough to tell him before anybody else that he was still alive, he gets him his job back in 1-5 and 2-4, and their interactions, though few were the cutest things EVER. Gumshoe's lines of "I'll wait for you" and "wait for me" sounded to me like the sort of line you'd only expect to hear in a very close relationship. The part in court where Gumshoe was angsting about losing his job, the parts after 1-4 and 2-4 where Edgeworth was thanking Gumshoe and "WHOOOOOOOOOOOP" (XD), it's all just CUTE. The fanart of them is adorable as well and Croik's fanfiction was pretty convincing, I thought.
So, it's not that popular because it's a pairing that breaks down the closer you think about it, but for me it has too much of a "d'awww" factor not to love. It's not a pairing I can't really try to convince anybody else of because "LOOK, IT'S CUTE *POINTS*" ain't much of an argument all thing considered, but I still love it.
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SilverZephyr wrote:
I also don't think the idea that Gumshoe would NEVER challenge anything Edgeworth does is correct. He challenged Edgeworth taking advantage of Adrian's disorder in 2-4. We didn't see him talking to/about Edgeworth much in 1-2 and 1-3 so we can't really judge based on that. In 1-5 he challenged Edgeworth about...something or other.
Did he? I thought he said it was out of character for Edgeworth to act that way, RE: Adrian, but at no point did he ever say to Edgeworth "hey, not cool, cut it out". I also don't recall him challenging Edgeworth on anything in 1-5. But, most importantly, to me, is the fact that he didn't challenge him when Edgeworth confessed to his own father's murder. If Mr. Edgeworth says it? It has to be true.
In comparison, Maggey wants Gumshoe to have a blind faith in her innocence.
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Gumshoe's devotion, trust, and compassion may not be what Edgeworth needs, but it's CUTE. And to some degree, Edgeworth cares about him enough to no doubt consider him a good friend.
After playing through 3-5, I have to say the Gumshoe and Edgeworth relationship reminds me the most of Maya and Phoenix. Since we get a peek inside Edgeworth's head, and what he thinks is, IMO, about as conducive to a romantic relationship as what Phoenix thinks about Maya. But the fact that Edgeworth cares about Gumshoe? Absolutely canon.
He got him reinstated in his job in 2-4, and, yes, DID trust him enough to say "hey, I'm still here" (more on that in a sec) and in 1-4, flinches when Phoenix brings up all Gumshoe's hard work while in prison. And, of course, we already know how Gumshoe feels about Edgeworth. As a duo, those two are darling. I don't see it as romantic, but their interplay as is, is patently adorable. (In fact, that's probably why I DON'T want to see it as romantic, because romance robs a lot of the "cute" from it in my eyes, because then you have to deal with "issues" and all that annoying stuff)
My only issue with 2-3 is the ease at which we see Gumshoe accept Edgeworth's return. Yes, his faith never wavers, which is sweet. But, at the same time, Phoenix's hurt, explosive response to Edgeworth's return (also keeping in mind he knew Edgeworth wasn't dead either) speaks of a personal stake in Edgeworth. Gumshoe is loyal to Edgeworth to the point where Edgeworth can call him up even after leaving a horrifying suicide note and Gumshoe will bend over backwards to help him. But at no time is it ever implied that Gumshoe was as deeply hurt by Edgeworth's vanishing as Phoenix was, that he held Edgeworth accountable for the actions he took like Phoenix did.
(Sorry for that. I rarely like to compare "couples" to other couples in order to make my point, so please be assured that even though I'm a P/E fangirl in extreme, I'm not using Phoenix's reaction as justification for P/E ABOVE G/E, just as a characterization comparison)
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SilverZephyr wrote:
I also don't think the idea that Gumshoe would NEVER challenge anything Edgeworth does is correct. He challenged Edgeworth taking advantage of Adrian's disorder in 2-4. We didn't see him talking to/about Edgeworth much in 1-2 and 1-3 so we can't really judge based on that. In 1-5 he challenged Edgeworth about...something or other.
Really? I'm fairly certain he didn't challenge Edgeworth re: Adrian, and I replayed 2-4 just a couple of days ago. He's obviously bothered by what Edgeworth did, but that isn't the same as challenging him. For me, challenge implies being able to confront a person with what they're doing wrong, to make them re-examine their actions. I'm sure it's not the first time Gumshoe has internally squirmed at something Edgeworth has done; Edgeworth spent four years as the ruthless Demon Prosecutor. But that doesn't mean much if he's not willing to actually call him on it.
Being distressed and mentioning to Phoenix that Edgeworth's actions were unbelievable is a far cry from actually challenging Edgeworth himself.
Don't recall anything in 1-5, either, really.
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I wonder how crazy Gumshoe went when he found out about Edgey and the ever-infamous suicide note.
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Gumshoe is loyal to Edgeworth to the point where Edgeworth can call him up even after leaving a horrifying suicide note and Gumshoe will bend over backwards to help him. But at no time is it ever implied that Gumshoe was as deeply hurt by Edgeworth's vanishing as Phoenix was, that he held Edgeworth accountable for the actions he took like Phoenix did.
That's true, but I wonder if it's just as much that Gumshoe understands Emo-Edgeworth a little better than Phoenix (at that exact point in the story, at least). He's worked with Edgeworth for several years and knows how tempermental and moody he can be. Edgeworth flouncing off might not have been that big of a surprise for him, and he didn't take it personally because it *wasn't* personal, or at least, wasn't because of him.
Not that I would ever argue a canon romantic attachment between them, because obviously, that's what Maggey is for. But it's a cute dynamic between the two of them to explore.
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Croik wrote:
That's true, but I wonder if it's just as much that Gumshoe understands Emo-Edgeworth a little better than Phoenix (at that exact point in the story, at least). He's worked with Edgeworth for several years and knows how tempermental and moody he can be. Edgeworth flouncing off might not have been that big of a surprise for him, and he didn't take it personally because it *wasn't* personal, or at least, wasn't because of him.
Well, let's keep in mind that even Phoenix admits that he knew Edgeworth was alive the entire time, so I don't think it's a matter of being familiar with his moods. Phoenix evidences plenty of that in 1-4 when he sort of brushes off Edgeworth's one man pity-party when Maya is confused on how to react to Edgeworth's attitude in detention. This wasn't just a matter of Edgeworth grabbing everything and hauling ass to Europe (or where ever), he left a suicide note. I can't imagine that's something Gumshoe has had to deal with on a regular basis, no matter how miserable Edgeworth felt.
Plus, it seems strange to me that Gumshoe freaks at the thought of Edgeworth having to deal with an earthquake, but would be "Oh, that crazy Mr. Edgeworth, always having those fits of suicidal depression and leaving the office."
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musouka wrote:
Well, let's keep in mind that even Phoenix admits that he knew Edgeworth was alive the entire time.
...He did? What line was this? I don't remember anything like it in JFA...is it in the third game, or is it just something I missed?
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SilverZephyr wrote:
...He did? What line was this? I don't remember anything like it in JFA...is it in the third game, or is it just something I missed?
It's implicit, but it's pretty clear when Phoenix is talking about how he felt in response to the note. "I never wanted to see you again." "That's when I decided that the Miles Edgeworth I'd known had died." Those aren't things you say about someone you think is ACTUALLY dead.
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musouka wrote:
I can't imagine that's something Gumshoe has had to deal with on a regular basis, no matter how miserable Edgeworth felt.
Well sure. I'm just pointing out that Gumshoe didn't take Edgeworth's leaving personally because it wasn't personal, and he probably knew better than to think that it might have been. Phoenix, on the other hand, took it very personally because he invested all his effort into saving Edgeworth, only to have that effort not only rejected but cancelled out entirely. It WAS personal to him.
Besides, we don't know that Edgeworth didn't talk to Gumshoe before showing up at the end of Case 3 anyway. We only got to see part of a phone conversation, and then their interaction in 2-4. We don't get to see the exact moment Gumshoe learns that Edgeworth is still alive and what his reaction was.
I'm just saying that just because we didn't see Gumshoe stress out over Edgeworth being gone, that doesn't mean he didn't care. There's a lot we don't get to see thanks to the setup of the games.
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Croik wrote:
I'm just saying that just because we didn't see Gumshoe stress out over Edgeworth being gone, that doesn't mean he didn't care. There's a lot we don't get to see thanks to the setup of the games.
No, I'm not saying he didn't care. I'm just saying that there's no indication he was hurt by it. Which is what you're saying. No, it wasn't personal to him, but a lot of things about Mr. Edgeworth have nothing to do with Gumshoe personally and he still frets. But MORE than that, what I'm trying to say is that Gumshoe is above all, loyal to Edgeworth. Edgeworth vanishes and leaves behind a cryptic suicide note? That's a pretty shitty thing to do. But if Edgeworth needs Gumshoe's help, that's the important thing to Gumshoe.
It's like, what's more like Gumshoe to say? "Do you have any idea how hurt and scared I was over you, sir?! How could you do that to all us?!" or "M-Mr. Edgeworth! You're alive?! And...you need my help!? Whatever I can do, sir!"
It's not bad, it's not good, it just is. To me, not being personally affected when you think someone has ran away and left a suicide note doesn't speak romantically. But to others, perhaps Gumshoe's faith in the face of that does seem romantic...
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musouka wrote:
No, I'm not saying he didn't care. I'm just saying that there's no indication he was hurt by it. Which is what you're saying.
I...never said that.
My original comment was just that Gumshoe didn't take Edgeworth leaving personally because it wasn't personal. He knew Edgeworth wouldn't up and leave because of anything he did or didn't do. He knows better.
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Croik wrote:
I...never said that.
My original comment was just that Gumshoe didn't take Edgeworth leaving personally because it wasn't personal. He knew Edgeworth wouldn't up and leave because of anything he did or didn't do. He knows better.
My original comment was just that Gumshoe didn't take Edgeworth leaving personally because it wasn't personal. He knew Edgeworth wouldn't up and leave because of anything he did or didn't do. He knows better.
No, I'm sorry, I was unclear. I meant that you said Gumshoe wasn't hurt (personally) by Edgeworth's leaving. You...did say that, right? What I was trying to express is that we agree on the point that Gumshoe didn't take Edgeworth's leaving personally.
My source of contention is that, if you love and care about someone in a romantic context, I think it would be difficult NOT to take them leaving you with a suicide note personally, whether you think it was directly because of your actions or not. I'm sorry for the confusion, I should have worded that better.
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I'm not really arguing that Gumshoe is meant to be shown as having romantic feelings for Edgeworth in-game (because it's obviously not true, this is not a BL game, it never will be). I'm just saying that Gumshoe is, like you said earlier, kind of a dope who will do anything for Edgeworth without a moment's hesitation. So for as much as he cares for Edgeworth, if Edgeworth seems to think it's the right thing to do, I can see why Gumshoe wouldn't register it as a personal affront. He's obviously not happy about it, but he knows better than to take it as a complete rejection.
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