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Herr Blondie wrote:
icer wrote:
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Though I heard from Icer in another annoyingly long debate (thank god he's not here) that Capcom forced the writers to include Phoenix as purely fanservice so I've always regarded this as a nessecary evil we have to live with.
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No, Phoenix was demanded to be included as a marketing ploy. Capcom thought that fans of the original series would need a hook to transfer/buy to the new series. That hook was Phoenix. I don't think Capcom envisaged that kind of execution of 'return Phoenix's character' though. It, indeed, did result in short term sales however.
Sorry Icer, it's not like me to forget a pretty girl. But in my defence. I usually don't look in the side categories beyond checking out cool avatars.Still I think the character butchering was probably as a result of his hurried entry or maybe some sort of writers spite at Phoenix for being forced into their bright shiny new game.
Also @Robin:
It's not always nessecarily the death sentence, Kristoph managed to avoid the death sentance after his murder of Shadi though maybe that was due to the unusual circumstances of his murder.
Also @Luminous: I don't think he'll escape the death penalty now though I mean he was in jail when he was convicted of another murder. I'd say his future ain't so bright now.
True, well maybe he is sentanced to death but let us not forget
Spoiler: GS3 case 4
could escape and hide his identity. It's highly unlikely but it could happen and it would be interesting to see what his next moves would be.
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What they should have done is have him take his hat off when he appears in the co council revealing the hair spikes, to further enforce the phoenixness of the sprite I already posted.
I swore I read that as "sexiness".
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What they should have done is have him take his hat off when he appears in the co council revealing the hair spikes, to further enforce the phoenixness of the sprite I already posted.
I swore I read that as "sexiness".
I did a better version of that one, but I can't find it ATM. One without the hat shadow and better hair and all. I think it's still a bit out...
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icer wrote:
Watatata~! wrote:
RandomJibberish wrote:
What they should have done is have him take his hat off when he appears in the co council revealing the hair spikes, to further enforce the phoenixness of the sprite I already posted.
I swore I read that as "sexiness".
I did a better version of that one, but I can't find it ATM. One without the hat shadow and better hair and all. I think it's still a bit out...
I just realized something... Is it just me, or does it look like Nick's hiding a bit more of a belly under that hoodie? XD
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Well, assuming that GS5 is cocurrent (takes place during) T&T, maybe some events in GS5 could mirror the events of T&T-case 5. (i.e. Edgeworth meets Phoenix on the burnt bridge)
How could GS5....take place at the same time as GS3 it.....doesn't make sense to me unless theres like a Phoenix clone...or if the whole thing is told with Kristoph as the main attorney.
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I think that Apollo should be accused of murder and he asks Phoenix to defend him.
Yar what dramatica said....I'd only approve that if it was just for the training case...but really I'd rather he didn't become a lawyer again.
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Now that he knows, and he is able to, there's a chance he might. I don't know if it would work or not though, it could go either way.
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After just playing 1-4 again I came across this quote:
Now that he knows, and he is able to, there's a chance he might. I don't know if it would work or not though, it could go either way.
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Now that he knows, and he is able to, there's a chance he might. I don't know if it would work or not though, it could go either way.
I'm pretty positive Phoenix was just joking about that.
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Genius! What if, in an alternate reality, Larry was caught with that $38, and Phoenix DID become a prosecutor! And Edgey ended up a defense attorney!?
Would Edgey end up with an arsenal of cool sidekicks or would Nick get to keep them?
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YggdrasilsSword wrote:
Genius! What if, in an alternate reality, Larry was caught with that $38, and Phoenix DID become a prosecutor! And Edgey ended up a defense attorney!?
Would Edgey end up with an arsenal of cool sidekicks or would Nick get to keep them?
Now that's the question, isn't it? I'll have to put more thought into this idea. Edgey would probably snatch up all of Phoenix's sidekicks like
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YggdrasilsSword wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
YggdrasilsSword wrote:
Genius! What if, in an alternate reality, Larry was caught with that $38, and Phoenix DID become a prosecutor! And Edgey ended up a defense attorney!?
Would Edgey end up with an arsenal of cool sidekicks or would Nick get to keep them?
Now that's the question, isn't it? I'll have to put more thought into this idea. Edgey would probably snatch up all of Phoenix's sidekicks like
Hehe thats put me in the mood to find a Hobo Edgey sprite....though this alternate reality would screw up case 1-4
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It's done on purpose so they can bring him back. Like y'know...
A phoenix rising from the ashes? That's basically the entire theme of all of the games. Especially with him being allowed to take the bar exam again. They wouldn't have mentioned that if he weren't coming back. It's the 100% sign that his story within these games is far from over. Nobody is supposed to like what happened to Phoenix. That's the point. Because now all his adoring fans are pumped for when he makes his triumphant return. Which he will. It's inevitable. He won't just leap into being the star of the next game from the start, it'll be built up to, it'll be dramatic, it'll be a "HOLD IT!" -cut to everyone in the court one by one before revealing phoenix- moment complete with his epic theme music.
Saying Phoenix's Arc is over is silly, and people moaning that Apollo didn't get enough limelight are just trying to desperately differentiate themselves from Phoenix Fanboys by favouring a character who so far, is basically a blank slate. Apollo's game existed for the purpose of bringing Phoenix down. All of the games are about bringing phoenix down, so he can Turnabout and bring it all back. Passionate finger pointing and phoenix-wing hair withstanding. They didn't call him Phoenix for nothing. Even his head is a Phoenix.
On a less related note, In my opinion the Winston trials are usually the best. The ones where you feel like your being clever and playing a game. Figuring out what happened and aren't so personally connected to the story, as opposed to being told a weird story where 80% of the court are pre-established characters and the case always stops being about the case half way through and starts being about something that happened 6 months to 2 years ago in a different case. You don't need to develop phoenix any more, you're right. He's a shining complete character who we all understand. Some of us aren't playing this game to hear the life story of the defence attorney, we're playing to be one. And solve cases. Cos it's fun. The nice plot twists and connectedness of things is a nice bonus, but if anything, THAT'S the thing that's guilty of stealing 'limelight' from the actual GAME part of the game.
What Phoenix will actually be in the next game is unsure, he might not even be in the next game, but if not he would definitely be in the one after that. He will eventually return to his former glory. It's inevitable. It's in his god damn name.
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Hobo Miles? Never thought of that before.
Maybe Phoenix might have a role in it, might be a minor one, who knows?~ Maybe he could return as a defense person, that could be cool.
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If the game was named Phoenix Wright ace attorney: Apollo justice or something i wouldnt complianed about your post. But now the game is Apollo Justice Ace attorney. If the game is named after a character I think the game should circle around that person the most. I wouldn't complained if Apollo cleaned phoenix name but Phoenix just take the limelight and save his own ass in Apollos game.
But it was only named AJ in English. In JPN it was only called Gyakuten Saiban 4.
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A phoenix rising from the ashes? That's basically the entire theme of all of the games. Especially with him being allowed to take the bar exam again. They wouldn't have mentioned that if he weren't coming back.
And same with that. He's a dragon in Japanese. As for the bar exam, like the entire ending of AJ, it was totally ambiguous whether he'd become a lawyer again, (or if Apollo would ever find out about his family, or anything at all... ) The writers hadn't decided or committed. To anything. I don't think they were envisaging anything concrete for a GS5....
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Ok, here's the bottom line. CAPCOM screwed up. ALthough T&T had a good ending, it was nothing definitive, it never said 'Phoenix is done. We're moving on.' MAybe if something so traumatic that it would cause him to stop law, he would quit, and everyone would be happy. Instead, they killed Phoenix, made him a hobo-mentor role, had him play a huge part in the story while not mentioning his cast of characters at all, and made a completely new, unknown character and thrust him into the main character role. Even worse, he wasn't even a character, he was a paper cut-out of Phoenix spray-painted red with different hair, minus all the quirky sarcasm that made Phoenix funny. Also, Apollo was constantly picked on and shown how Trucy, Klavier, and the witnesses were all smarter than Apollo. He was a pathetic character. It made me sick just playing as him. Even worse, Klavier helped you as a prosecutor, making Apollo look even dumber. Everything about AJ made me want to throw my DS into wall. Which I did, by the way.
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Ok, here's the bottom line. CAPCOM screwed up. ALthough T&T had a good ending, it was nothing definitive, it never said 'Phoenix is done. We're moving on.' MAybe if something so traumatic that it would cause him to stop law, he would quit, and everyone would be happy. Instead, they killed Phoenix, made him a hobo-mentor role, had him play a huge part in the story while not mentioning his cast of characters at all, and made a completely new, unknown character and thrust him into the main character role. Even worse, he wasn't even a character, he was a paper cut-out of Phoenix spray-painted red with different hair, minus all the quirky sarcasm that made Phoenix funny. Also, Apollo was constantly picked on and shown how Trucy, Klavier, and the witnesses were all smarter than Apollo. He was a pathetic character. It made me sick just playing as him. Even worse, Klavier helped you as a prosecutor, making Apollo look even dumber. Everything about AJ made me want to throw my DS into wall. Which I did, by the way.
I beg to differ. 3-5 was a conclusive end, supposed to stay the end, for the entire cast including Phoenix, and Apollo was nothing like Phoenix. In fact, Apollo was generic full-stop. No sarcasm, but also no proper backstory, no explicable motivations, few expressions of feelings, little connection to other characters, no reasons for doing anything... Some gimmicks [chords of steel], a punch and a desire for a flat-screen TV, and a few superficial familial revelations which he himself is not party to. Yawn. Not worth killing Phoenix over [yes, symbolically 'dead mentor'].
Apart from that, I more or less agree with your post, except it was the farcical 'Flashback Trial' which would have made me throw the DS at the wall, except I like my DS.
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What's with all the Phoenix-hate in this topic? He's a far more interesting character than Apollo. It's sad that they were forced to shoehorn him into the game the way they did, he deserved better than that; especially after being told by Mia that he had nothing left to learn or something along those lines. He's a true defender of the people after all.
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I want Phoenix dead not for focus on Apollo or because we're done with Phoenix or anything like that, but because it's the easiest way to initiate a drastic character change in Apollo which he seriously needs as he's really just a rehash of Phoenix in every possible way character wise. That AND a ton of people don't want Phoenix in GS5 from what I can tell in this thread, and what other possible excuse would he have NOT to be in? [Or at least, In, but only for a few cases, very much like a certian Fey]
Now, killing Trucy might accomplish the same thing, hell, even killing Klavier might do something. I don't care who gets the axe as long as it allows Apollo to develop into his own person. It's easy to establish with Phoenix out of the picture, though.
Either way, I don't want Phoenix absent unless he has a damn good reason to be. If he's not in the game, Death is the only reason I'm accepting.
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Anyway, he'll still be around Apollo as a mentor. Him being a prosecutor is an interesting idea, but too jarring to his motivations previously to be true (he lacks the prosecutors' dislike for crime). Him being a judge is LOL-worthy...though.
I personally think AJ should continue its course and let Phoenix stay on as a minor character in the back scenes - after all, Capcom will see no reason to retcon AJ (and if it is it is a damn waste - I really liked AJ), due to the high sales and praise they got from the critics. This way we can understand more about Apollo in subsequent games with little interruption from Phoenix. I've seen AJ as a sort-of AU, and there is no need to let the AU die just because of the ex-main character - and especially so if it is canon.
So I'm up for Phoenix = minor character in GS5. He could always have a game or two of his own on the sidelines or subsequent games if Capcom decided that he is more marketable than developed-Apollo in the future.
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I'll say this.
I want Phoenix dead not for focus on Apollo or because we're done with Phoenix or anything like that, but because it's the easiest way to initiate a drastic character change in Apollo which he seriously needs as he's really just a rehash of Phoenix in every possible way character wise. That AND a ton of people don't want Phoenix in GS5 from what I can tell in this thread, and what other possible excuse would he have NOT to be in? [Or at least, In, but only for a few cases, very much like a certian Fey]
Now, killing Trucy might accomplish the same thing, hell, even killing Klavier might do something. I don't care who gets the axe as long as it allows Apollo to develop into his own person. It's easy to establish with Phoenix out of the picture, though.
Either way, I don't want Phoenix absent unless he has a damn good reason to be. If he's not in the game, Death is the only reason I'm accepting.
I want Phoenix dead not for focus on Apollo or because we're done with Phoenix or anything like that, but because it's the easiest way to initiate a drastic character change in Apollo which he seriously needs as he's really just a rehash of Phoenix in every possible way character wise. That AND a ton of people don't want Phoenix in GS5 from what I can tell in this thread, and what other possible excuse would he have NOT to be in? [Or at least, In, but only for a few cases, very much like a certian Fey]
Now, killing Trucy might accomplish the same thing, hell, even killing Klavier might do something. I don't care who gets the axe as long as it allows Apollo to develop into his own person. It's easy to establish with Phoenix out of the picture, though.
Either way, I don't want Phoenix absent unless he has a damn good reason to be. If he's not in the game, Death is the only reason I'm accepting.
People do see to dislike Phoenix here I guess...but I'm telling you killing a character is not an easy way to initate a character change....at least not from Capcom's perspective. For someone like Phoenix to die, would require them to write a case in which Apollo brings the killer to justice or even if he's killed early on and then it's an ongoing thing that climaxes at the final case. Either way it's a lot of work and would possibly involve the dedication of the entire game to that storyline mostly.
And don't underestimate the Phoenix fans....Phoenix is massively popular....I imagine killing him...while making things easier for Apollo (maybe), would make a lot of fans simply hate the game into not buying it resulting in negative sales for capcom and generally losses all around.
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BBdoubleB wrote:
I'll say this.
I want Phoenix dead not for focus on Apollo or because we're done with Phoenix or anything like that, but because it's the easiest way to initiate a drastic character change in Apollo which he seriously needs as he's really just a rehash of Phoenix in every possible way character wise. That AND a ton of people don't want Phoenix in GS5 from what I can tell in this thread, and what other possible excuse would he have NOT to be in? [Or at least, In, but only for a few cases, very much like a certian Fey]
Epic Fail to say a ton of people... I think al lot of Phoenix Fans are NOT registered in Court-records.net!
Just to guess this about reading ONE thread is rather for the birds.
Yes, there are people even hating him and playd PW:AA 1-3 just because of good ol' Edgey
But that doesn't mean that there are NOT a ton of people who WANT Phoenix in GS5!
And who want better ending for Phoenix.
Like some other people said: It was unnecessary to put phoenix in GS4.
They could leave him out.
Everyone would be satisfied.
Phoenix is lawyer.
Apollo has his own game.
Now, killing Trucy might accomplish the same thing, hell, even killing Klavier might do something. I don't care who gets the axe as long as it allows Apollo to develop into his own person. It's easy to establish with Phoenix out of the picture, though.
This idea is just madness
Either way, I don't want Phoenix absent unless he has a damn good reason to be. If he's not in the game, Death is the only reason I'm accepting.
And it is good that it is the only reason YOU accept!
Don't think that I'm a jerk but this idea was kinda ridiculous
I want Phoenix dead not for focus on Apollo or because we're done with Phoenix or anything like that, but because it's the easiest way to initiate a drastic character change in Apollo which he seriously needs as he's really just a rehash of Phoenix in every possible way character wise. That AND a ton of people don't want Phoenix in GS5 from what I can tell in this thread, and what other possible excuse would he have NOT to be in? [Or at least, In, but only for a few cases, very much like a certian Fey]
Epic Fail to say a ton of people... I think al lot of Phoenix Fans are NOT registered in Court-records.net!
Just to guess this about reading ONE thread is rather for the birds.
Yes, there are people even hating him and playd PW:AA 1-3 just because of good ol' Edgey
But that doesn't mean that there are NOT a ton of people who WANT Phoenix in GS5!
And who want better ending for Phoenix.
Like some other people said: It was unnecessary to put phoenix in GS4.
They could leave him out.
Everyone would be satisfied.
Phoenix is lawyer.
Apollo has his own game.
Now, killing Trucy might accomplish the same thing, hell, even killing Klavier might do something. I don't care who gets the axe as long as it allows Apollo to develop into his own person. It's easy to establish with Phoenix out of the picture, though.
This idea is just madness
Either way, I don't want Phoenix absent unless he has a damn good reason to be. If he's not in the game, Death is the only reason I'm accepting.
And it is good that it is the only reason YOU accept!
Don't think that I'm a jerk but this idea was kinda ridiculous
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Ok, here's the bottom line. CAPCOM screwed up. ALthough T&T had a good ending, it was nothing definitive, it never said 'Phoenix is done. We're moving on.' MAybe if something so traumatic that it would cause him to stop law, he would quit, and everyone would be happy. Instead, they killed Phoenix, made him a hobo-mentor role, had him play a huge part in the story while not mentioning his cast of characters at all, and made a completely new, unknown character and thrust him into the main character role. Even worse, he wasn't even a character, he was a paper cut-out of Phoenix spray-painted red with different hair, minus all the quirky sarcasm that made Phoenix funny. Also, Apollo was constantly picked on and shown how Trucy, Klavier, and the witnesses were all smarter than Apollo. He was a pathetic character. It made me sick just playing as him. Even worse, Klavier helped you as a prosecutor, making Apollo look even dumber. Everything about AJ made me want to throw my DS into wall. Which I did, by the way.
Amen!
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It was so ridiculous to play him...
I mean, he is dumber than a donkey!!!
I spoiled for myself what happened with Phoenix...
So at first I thought, "should I leave it after T&T oder play further?"
I decided to walk forward and played the game, because I wont be satisfied if I didn't play it.
I did it and it was a good game BUT!!!
- The cases were to easy!
- Apollo is dumb as hell...
- They included Phoenix (don't misunderstand me, Im a big fan but hobohodo is needless!)
so btt
I think he should get his badge and live somewhere else or give apollo some hints like mia did when it is really hard for Apollo to solve the case or give some background informations.
You don't play him, his appereance is minimalistic,he got his badge back, and apollo has his own (but undeserved) limelight.
I think that is a solution everyone can handle with!
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Re: What part should Phoenix play in GS5?
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BBdoubleB wrote:
I want Phoenix dead not for focus on Apollo or because we're done with Phoenix or anything like that, but because it's the easiest way to initiate a drastic character change in Apollo which he seriously needs as he's really just a rehash of Phoenix in every possible way character wise.
What, you're implying Phoenix has to die because Apollo sucks? Kill your developed character merely because the other one is somehow incapable of meaningful character development?
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That AND a ton of people don't want Phoenix in GS5 from what I can tell in this thread, and what other possible excuse would he have NOT to be in? [Or at least, In, but only for a few cases, very much like a certian Fey]
Phoenix has left. Gone to live with a 'friend'. Gone to 'be a lawyer, offscreen'. SIMPLE. There's no requirement that he continue to employ Apollo in his agency, Apollo can start his own law office and show some vague autonomy.
Anyone thinking the only way the can pull off AJ2 is if they timeskip? Of course, Trucy might need a new sprite, but since they never bothered with Maya I can see them not caring.
If they kill Phoenix, they've effectively killed the franchise. Some people won't care, but enough people will for there to be a backlash. Mia only worked dead because she died 5 minutes into the 1st game. The 'dead' of Hobo!Phoenix was a risky enough 'experiment'.
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Re: What part should Phoenix play in GS5?
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Unless some talented kurain family member is going to show up on Apollo's doorstep and channel Nick for eternity (which would look freaky seeing as the power is predominantly female) then killing Nick would be like shooting Apollo between the eyes.
I still don't see why they can't live in harmony here
Capcom made an massive mistake by including Nick in the first place but you can't make a small circle with a cannonball, if they are going to remove Nick from the picture they are going to need to do something ALOT more subtle than killing him off.
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Re: What part should Phoenix play in GS5?
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1. Make a sequel of T&T ( a normal Phoenix game including Maya, Pearl, so on)
2. Make a new game, same universe, absolutely new cast of characters, same gameplay but set somewhere else (think: CSI, CSI New York, CSI Miami- a different city)
These would have been the best two, in my opinion- the simplest, and would have given people a lot of satisfaction. Even Phoenix fans could understand that by creating an absolutely new game, that CAPCOM decided that 3 games was enough for Phoenix, and that it was the new character's time now. But they chose option 3:
3. Make a new game, with a new, previously unheard of character and have him replace a loved, old character who has put away and shelved in a brutal manner whilst retaining a mentor role who actually sets in motion most of the game. Meanwhile, they decide to include a flashback where people from the previous cast return, but the two most prominent ones are removed, never talked about, and pretty much ignored. Include almost no references, no names, and no ties to the previous games except for one character who was included in a bonus case, which pretty much invites crack theorists to create dual timeline theories and crap.
Even though Apollo was the main, Phoenix was still the motivational factor in half of the game. It was like Phoenix 'channeling' (not literally), almost using and manipulating Apollo to achieve his own means. 4-1- well, duh. 4-3- used it as an example to show the weakness of the current court system. 4-4 - I'm not going to spoil it, but if you finished the case you know what I mean.
I think BBdoubleB is right. They screwed up, they can't rectify their mistake. Something needs to happen to Phoenix that will satisfy both Phoenix and Apollo fans. Apollo fans want Phoenix out of the way, and Phoenix fans want Phoenix. If Phoenix did die, and that made Apollo go through a character change, and if he changed to become more like Phoenix than the pathetic, running-away-from-spotlight, needs-help-from-15-year-old-ditzy-teenager and his rockstar opponent object he is now, well , I think that would satisfy both sides- Phoenix is gone, Apollo' s here, Apollo is more like Phoenix.
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Re: What part should Phoenix play in GS5?
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Hell as an Apollo fan I don't want Apollo like Phoenix via some dramatic character change, I was already annoyed they got the same standard 'penalty' statements. It just wouldn't be the same.
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