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There was a recording of a testimony, in 1-2... But it was more evidence than referrence.
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There was a recording of a testimony, in 1-2... But it was more evidence than referrence.


Actually, they also did it in 1-4 with Lotta's Testimony.
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How does someone with brain damage go about getting a job handling dangerous chemicals, exactly? :yuusaku:
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Not sure if this is a cough-up (or has been mentioned at all), but in 3-3, when you visit the detention centre when Maggey's not there, Phoenix remarks that she's being questioned by the police. But why would the police need to question her any further, given that she's already given her side of the story (not to mention been convicted of Elg's murder)?

Also, why is Elise's hair colour black in her sprites when Larry's photo (seen here) shows her having brown hair?
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How does someone with brain damage go about getting a job handling dangerous chemicals, exactly? :yuusaku:

I think he lied about that. He just burned off his own fingerprints.
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How does someone with brain damage go about getting a job handling dangerous chemicals, exactly? :yuusaku:

I think he lied about that. He just burned off his own fingerprints.

But wouldn't he have a record that would prevent him from getting that job? I'm sure they would look into something like that...
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He never had the job.
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Really? I remember him saying something like "When I had a job at a chemical plant..."

*goes and checks game script*


EDIT: Got it.
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Er... you see, before I worked
as a caretaker, I worked at
a chemical plant.

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...He was probably lying. :yuusaku: The way he explains it makes it sound like it was an accident, but it wasn't. He intentionally burned his fingers to erase his prints and hide his identity.
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I'm not sure if this is a cough-up but.....


Name: The Feys.
Type of cough-up: Their name.
Location: All Phoenix Wright games
Description: If Misty Fey married and had Mia and Maya, how is Mia and Maya called Mia Fey and Maya fey. Shouldn't they take the father's surname?


Spoiler: Possible Spoilers 4-4
That was a problem I found w/ Thalassa Gramarye. Her maiden name would be Gramarye, but she would be, "Thalassa Enigmar", wouldn't you agree?

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This has, probably been mentioned before... But:

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Name: Edgeworth
Type: Doesn't fit in with the 'erm' thing about him at the beginning of JFA
Location: 1-5
Description: If Edgeworth really did 'choose death' because of 1-4, why does it seem he got over it in 1-5? I mean, it's probably just a small detail missed out (JFA's script could just be altered in the translation, in the DS releases) It's just been bugging me for quite some time now.

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Brawldud wrote:
Pheokirby wrote:
I'm not sure if this is a cough-up but.....


Name: The Feys.
Type of cough-up: Their name.
Location: All Phoenix Wright games
Description: If Misty Fey married and had Mia and Maya, how is Mia and Maya called Mia Fey and Maya fey. Shouldn't they take the father's surname?


Spoiler: Possible Spoilers 4-4
That was a problem I found w/ Thalassa Gramarye. Her maiden name would be Gramarye, but she would be, "Thalassa Enigmar", wouldn't you agree?


Spoiler: My reply to the first one, spoilers for PW, JFA, & T&T
That's explained in the game... Also, it's not a LAW stating that taking the fathers' name is mandatory... In fact, since they don't have a father (He left, according to the story), Misty could've just changed her name back to "Fey" if she had chosen to take the last name of the father beforehand... But I think Morgan states how the Fey Women have always carried their last names over in marriage.


Spoiler: Response to Brawldud, 4-4 Spoilers
Zak could have always allowed his last name to be changed for the sake of the Gramarye Name... but Valant... is unexplained.


Ardee wrote:
This has, probably been mentioned before... But:

Spoiler:
Name: Edgeworth
Type: Doesn't fit in with the 'erm' thing about him at the beginning of JFA
Location: 1-5
Description: If Edgeworth really did 'choose death' because of 1-4, why does it seem he got over it in 1-5? I mean, it's probably just a small detail missed out (JFA's script could just be altered in the translation, in the DS releases) It's just been bugging me for quite some time now.


He doesn't seem to get over it in 1-5... In fact...

Spoiler: 1-5
That's the reason for the "Note" he leaves at the end of "Rise From The Ashes" that the bellboy finds.

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Spoiler: Response to Brawldud, 4-4 Spoilers
Zak could have always allowed his last name to be changed for the sake of the Gramarye Name... but Valant... is unexplained.


Surely "Gramarye" is just their stage name (because they are from "Troupe Gramarye"), seeing as everyone in the flashback trial, refers to Zak as "Mr. Enigmar"?
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NinjaMonkey wrote:
Wrestlemania wrote:
Spoiler: Response to Brawldud, 4-4 Spoilers
Zak could have always allowed his last name to be changed for the sake of the Gramarye Name... but Valant... is unexplained.


Surely "Gramarye" is just their stage name (because they are from "Troupe Gramarye"), seeing as everyone in the flashback trial, refers to Zak as "Mr. Enigmar"?


Spoiler: 4-1 and 4-4 Spoilers
Zak's name is listed as "Shadi Enigmar" in 4-4... Hence why I assume he took the last name of Magnifi when he married Magnifi's daughter, Thalessa.

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Spoiler: 2-3
If Acro lowered down the crate down with a rope, why isn't the rope still attached and/or where did it go?

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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
...He was probably lying. :yuusaku: The way he explains it makes it sound like it was an accident, but it wasn't. He intentionally burned his fingers to erase his prints and hide his identity.

He said he burned his fingerprints. He didn't say anything about it being accidental or not. Of course, you assume it's accidental, but he doesn't imply it one way or another. Plus he still had to get the job...


@burninator: Once the crate was on the ground, if he let the rope go slack the hook would probably come out, so he could pull the rope back up.
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Hmm... This is a big slip-up on the start of 2-4

When talking to Gumshoe, if you present Pearl he says 'He's never seen that person before' even though right after he says that Pearl replies! :eh?:
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That's just they didn't feel like giving him a special reply to Pearl, so they just gave him the generic I-don't-know-that-person reply.
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Seems a little... Lazy, don't'cha think?
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IN AJ, Klavier says something along the lines of "...Too think I _____"
Instead of 'to think I.'
I thought it was mildly humorous.
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Ardee wrote:
Hmm... This is a big slip-up on the start of 2-4

When talking to Gumshoe, if you present Pearl he says 'He's never seen that person before' even though right after he says that Pearl replies! :eh?:

Also, when you show Pearl's profile to Matt in prison, he says "That person looks like someone in my fan club" even though she is right there.

Bad Player's post explains both of these.



Ok, I got one. I know there is an explanation, but I just want to know what it is.
Spoiler: 2-4
After you explain that Matt could not have killed him in the Nickel Samurai suit (because of the fingerprints) and that he would have had to be wearing the suit for the button to get in it (which contradict each other, leading to the fact that he had to have been set up), why didn't Matt go free? Phoenix didn't have to find the real killer, just prove it wasn't Matt (which he did).

There's most likely a simple explanation I'm just missing.
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B/c you need to find the killer in order for your guy to go free. Someone even says it at some point o.O

Spoiler: All games
You prove your client is innocent in 1-3, 3-5, and to a lesser extent, 4-2 but still need to find the murderer.

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Bad Player wrote:
B/c you need to find the killer in order for your guy to go free. Someone even says it at some point o.O

Spoiler: All games
You prove your client is innocent in 1-3, 3-5, and to a lesser extent, 4-2 but still need to find the murderer.

You forgot 3-3.
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I'm sorry if this has allready been mentioned, but I'm not going to read the 1711 posts in this topic to find out :-P

Spoiler: 3-5
When the bridge is repaired and you cross it, you'll find Godot. Phoenix asks him:
"Why weren't you in court today?"
Godot answers: "I could ask you the same thing"

That's true, Phoenix wasn't in court that day, but Godot couldn't have known. He was trapped on the other side of the bridge all that time.

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I'm sorry if this has allready been mentioned, but I'm not going to read the 1711 posts in this topic to find out :-P

Spoiler: 3-5
When the bridge is repaired and you cross it, you'll find Godot. Phoenix asks him:
"Why weren't you in court today?"
Godot answers: "I could ask you the same thing"

That's true, Phoenix wasn't in court that day, but Godot couldn't have known. He was trapped on the other side of the bridge all that time.

Well, its possible, if quite unlikely, that we weren't the first people he'd met, and the prior people filled him in. In fact, if it was Gumshoe, he'd probably have asked if Phoenix's absence was the reason for his own.
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This might have been posted, but I'm too lazy to read 43 pages of backlog.

Spoiler: 2-4
Name: Faulty Photo
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Description: With the trial on the line, you need to find fault with Lotta's photo of the Nickel Samurai leaving Juan's room. The correct solution is to point out that the pants are bunched-up at the Samurai's feet, indicating that Engarde is not inside. However, you will also notice that there are no teddy bears with the flower arrangements in the background. I objected to the flowers, thinking that this meant that the photo was not taken around the time of the murder--and got the instant guilty verdict.

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I....i forgot it......;-; ahhhhhhhhhhhh yes in the phony case whats that, 3-....3? i think. if godot always goes against feenie, then why does payne go against him instead in the beginning part?
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I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but I'm putting it out there anyway.

In 1-5, when Ema is testifying, she says that she saw one man stab another in the chest. I noticed that in the SL-9 case files, it said that Marshall died from a stab wound in the back, so I presented it. Unfortunately, the judge is apparently senile and gave me the guilty verdict.

So that coversation would have gone something like this:

:scientific:: It was dark, so I couldn't see who was who, but I did see one of the men stab the other in the chest

:judge: : The man being stabbed presumably being the victim, Neil Marshall.

:object:: OBJECTION! It says here that Neil Marshall died from a stab wound to the back. That's a contradiction!

:udgy:: I'm sorry, but I see no contradiction.

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I....i forgot it......;-; ahhhhhhhhhhhh yes in the phony case whats that, 3-....3? i think. if godot always goes against feenie, then why does payne go against him instead in the beginning part?


Spoiler: 3-3 Spoilers
They actually explain this if you show Gumshoe Godot's Profile at one point.

Gumshoe says something like "Godot knew the Phoenix there was phony, so he didn't bother with him".

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Wrestlemania wrote:
Spoiler: Response to Brawldud, 4-4 Spoilers
Zak could have always allowed his last name to be changed for the sake of the Gramarye Name... but Valant... is unexplained.



Spoiler: Seven Years Ago aka The Last Turnabout
If you play the trial, "Seven Years Ago" Phoenix calls Zak in the first few lines, "Mr. Enigmar" which means that would be his last name. Zak Gramarye is his stage name.


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Name: Unexplained, Unmentioned, contradiction in Franziska's case at 1st day
Type: Direct contradiction
Location: 2-2
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Spoiler: 2-2
When you present Maya's costume and show that it does not have gunpowder burn, Franziska says that they probably put distance between each other. But Dr. Grey had gunpowder burn, and Maya's costume doesn't. If they put so much distance between each other that no gunpowder burns would be left, then Dr. Grey wouldn't have any either. There is likely an explanation, but I don't know it.

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Spoiler: 2-2
Dr. Grey was shot by Mimi when she was right in front of him, so he got a gunpowder burn. Maya was behind the screen when her costume was shot, so there wasn't any gunpowder burns on her.

That might have been a contradiction in Franziska's explanation, but it's not in what actually happened.

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Burninator wrote:
Spoiler: 2-3
If Acro lowered down the crate down with a rope, why isn't the rope still attached and/or where did it go?

Spoiler: 2-3
I was wondering the same thing on my first playthrough of that case. Maybe he either
A) had Money remove it, or
B) used one of Max's invisible strings. Or better yet,
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Ardee wrote:
Name: Start of 2-1
Type: Stupidity
Description: No one noticed a guy with a fire extinguisher whack a defence attorney in the head? Were the guards having a coffee break or something?

Considering :udgy: is the judge, it wouldn't surprise me if the guards were even dumber.

Or maybe :godot: was the only guard there at the time before becoming a prosecutor. He's ALWAYS on a coffee break.
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This might have been posted, but I'm too lazy to read 43 pages of backlog.

Spoiler: 2-4
Name: Faulty Photo
Type: Alternative Puzzle Solution
Location: 2-4
Description: With the trial on the line, you need to find fault with Lotta's photo of the Nickel Samurai leaving Juan's room. The correct solution is to point out that the pants are bunched-up at the Samurai's feet, indicating that Engarde is not inside. However, you will also notice that there are no teddy bears with the flower arrangements in the background. I objected to the flowers, thinking that this meant that the photo was not taken around the time of the murder--and got the instant guilty verdict.

You remind me of :wellington: . Why?

YOU NEED GLASSES.

Look in the bottom right of the photo. You'll find something that contradicts your theory.
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But remember, the only people that know that Gumshoe has a crush on Maggey was Phoenix in Recipe for Turnabout.


:objection:

I do believe that when Gumshoe testifies in 2-1, the Judge says something like 'the fact that the detective has a crush on the defendant has been made abundantly clear...'
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I would just like to remind everyone that this thread is not for simple errors like typos and graphical errors.
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Name: Morgan's underknowledge of Spirit Mediums
Type of Cough-Up: General evidence inconsistency
Location: 2-2 After Day 1, presenting to Magatama to Morgan
Description: When you present the Magatama to her, you get a dialogue of:
(Something like this)
:phoenix: Here, see this?
:morgan: I'm sorry, but my spiritual powers are not as strong as you think.
:phoenix: (Umm, but this has nothing to do with your spiritual power...)
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Brawldud wrote:
Name: Morgan's underknowledge of Spirit Mediums
Type of Cough-Up: General evidence inconsistency
Location: 2-2 After Day 1, presenting to Magatama to Morgan
Description: When you present the Magatama to her, you get a dialogue of:
(Something like this)
:phoenix: Here, see this?
:morgan: I'm sorry, but my spiritual powers are not as strong as you think.
:phoenix: (Umm, but this has nothing to do with your spiritual power...)
The Magatama has everything to do with spiritual power for reasons I feel I do not have to explain.

This was, once again, probably just due to laziness.
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