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It really set up the mood for the showdown when they slowly walked to their positions as prosecution and defense in the courtroom (for no apparent reason other than to look cool 
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)That was awesome, and a nice nod to the rest of the series. Makes me wish they'd use graphics like that in the main series - I really love the bigger, bolder sprites.
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Hey a simple question, because I don't read Japanese, How do Franziska and Miles call Manfred??
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Indochine Ramera wrote:
Hey a simple question, because I don't read Japanese, How do Franziska and Miles call Manfred??
I think Edgeworth called him Sensei...? I don't quite remember. Franziska did call him Papa though.
In fact, I think the scenes with Fran and Manfred may have broken some fanon conventions, in that they treated each other surprisingly amiably. Fran was definitely competing with Edgeworth for his attention, but instead of being cold to her he was just kind of like, "lol okay kid, sure." In more Manfred-ish language of course.
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Indochine Ramera wrote:
Hey a simple question, because I don't read Japanese, How do Franziska and Miles call Manfred??
I think Edgeworth called him Sensei...? I don't quite remember. Franziska did call him Papa though.
In fact, I think the scenes with Fran and Manfred may have broken some fanon conventions, in that they treated each other surprisingly amiably. Fran was definitely competing with Edgeworth for his attention, but instead of being cold to her he was just kind of like, "lol okay kid, sure." In more Manfred-ish language of course.
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Do Miles and Franziska refer to each other as brother and sister? I've wondered if Franziska really sees Miles as a brother or if it's the Japanese usage where family terms don't necessarily indicate being related. You know how in anime and manga there are often girls who have crushes on "oniisan" who is a childhood friend and not a brother? I think Franziska may have an oniisan-crush on Miles.
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3 years later the same thing happened: Deed Man was set to testify, but was murdered by Tooru Makari. The incident came to be known as KG-8 II. Both investigations were headed by Kurou Ichijou and Ittetsu Badou, who were also in charge of the Yatagarasu case.
Supposedly Yuuko Kazura was Himeko Kazura's sister, and she in theory never forgave Ichijou and Badou for letting her sister's killer get away, but...it gets complicated later on, and I'm not sure I got all of it which is why I'm already replaying.
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I would have expected Manfred to be very cold and un-affectionate towards Miles and Franziska. Nearly every fanfic author I've read writes him as either a loving husband and father or an abusive prick who beats (and sometimes rapes) his children. Isn't there a middle ground somewhere?
Do Miles and Franziska refer to each other as brother and sister? I've wondered if Franziska really sees Miles as a brother or if it's the Japanese usage where family terms don't necessarily indicate being related. You know how in anime and manga there are often girls who have crushes on "oniisan" who is a childhood friend and not a brother? I think Franziska may have an oniisan-crush on Miles.
Do Miles and Franziska refer to each other as brother and sister? I've wondered if Franziska really sees Miles as a brother or if it's the Japanese usage where family terms don't necessarily indicate being related. You know how in anime and manga there are often girls who have crushes on "oniisan" who is a childhood friend and not a brother? I think Franziska may have an oniisan-crush on Miles.
That's why I said the game is a little fanon-breaking in that regard. Karma is dismissive of Fran but not in a cold way, and he's strict with Edgeworth but if you didn't know better you'd think he was almost proud of him.
Miles and Fran never call each other brother and sister directly that I remember (he calls her Mei and she calls him by his full name most of the time) but there is one point in case 2 where Gumshoe says something like, "How can you suspect him of murder? You're like siblings." Fran whips him and replies, "Siblings or not... blah blah whatever the rest of it was."
Though if it means anything Fran didn't seem to have any trouble accusing Edgeworth of murder in case 2, and later he doesn't act all that stressed when she is in trouble. I personally have never detected any romantic hints between them, and in case 4 especially it's pretty apparent that Franziska is fighting for recognition from Edgeworth and her father, not for their affection.
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Poor Edgeworth, accused of murder again. I'd like to see Franziska or Gumshoe accused of murder. Along with Pearl, they're the only two major recurring characters who haven't been framed for murder yet.
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At least they didn't go with (physically) abusive Manfred who beats his kids for the slightest imperfection. He's emotionally abusive toward Edgeworth as it is. As for Miles and Franziska's relationship, he was pretty worried about her in JFA after she'd been shot. He's not totally uncaring.
Poor Edgeworth, accused of murder again. I'd like to see Franziska or Gumshoe accused of murder. Along with Pearl, they're the only two major recurring characters who haven't been framed for murder yet.
Poor Edgeworth, accused of murder again. I'd like to see Franziska or Gumshoe accused of murder. Along with Pearl, they're the only two major recurring characters who haven't been framed for murder yet.
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I would have expected Manfred to be very cold and un-affectionate towards Miles and Franziska. Nearly every fanfic author I've read writes him as either a loving husband and father or an abusive prick who beats (and sometimes rapes) his children. Isn't there a middle ground somewhere?
But you know, I'm sure people find him evil because he is
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Poor Edgeworth, accused of murder again. I'd like to see Franziska or Gumshoe accused of murder. Along with Pearl, they're the only two major recurring characters who haven't been framed for murder yet.
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The KG-8 incident happened 10 years prior to the game. The police thought they were closing in on a massive criminal syndicate and had a witness (Yuuko Kazura) who was set to testify, but she was murdered before she could get to court. Suspected of the murder was Manny Coachen, who worked at the the Cordopian Embassy, but the evidence against him was stolen before the trial could take place by Yatagarasu, and thus they were not able to make a conviction.
3 years later the same thing happened: Deed Man was set to testify, but was murdered by Tooru Makari. The incident came to be known as KG-8 II. Both investigations were headed by Kurou Ichijou and Ittetsu Badou, who were also in charge of the Yatagarasu case.
3 years later the same thing happened: Deed Man was set to testify, but was murdered by Tooru Makari. The incident came to be known as KG-8 II. Both investigations were headed by Kurou Ichijou and Ittetsu Badou, who were also in charge of the Yatagarasu case.
Sounds pretty confusing. .__.; The criminal syndicate wouldn't happen to be the one that everyone seems to be affiliated with in the game, would it?
Is any reason ever given for Manny supposedly murdering Kazura's sister, and for Yatagarasu stealing the evidence? And come to think, both Makari and Ichijou were murdered in this case too, weren't they... I thought that Kazura was responsible for that?
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As for Franziska and Edgeworth, there seems to something about her insisting on calling him her 'younger brother' instead of her older brother (I think she corrects him about it when he introduces her in this case, although I may be wrong), and that's more or less my take on it (that they're like siblings, and that she likes to view him as her younger brother despite things like the age difference). But it's entirely subjective, isn't it. 8D
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Indochine Ramera wrote:
moonfall wrote:
I would have expected Manfred to be very cold and un-affectionate towards Miles and Franziska. Nearly every fanfic author I've read writes him as either a loving husband and father or an abusive prick who beats (and sometimes rapes) his children. Isn't there a middle ground somewhere?
But you know, I'm sure people find him evil because he is
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Poor Edgeworth, accused of murder again. I'd like to see Franziska or Gumshoe accused of murder. Along with Pearl, they're the only two major recurring characters who haven't been framed for murder yet.
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The kink meme makes Manfred TOO cudlly sometimes, though.
And on the spoiler? YAY. I really want to see that. The only thing that would make it better is if
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And for case 4, I was wondering, do we know what will happen for Kay? I mean she has just lost her father, do we have any clue of what will happen of her?
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Well I'm not sure at all that it would happen.
And for case 4, I was wondering, do we know what will happen for Kay? I mean she has just lost her father, do we have any clue of what will happen of her?
And for case 4, I was wondering, do we know what will happen for Kay? I mean she has just lost her father, do we have any clue of what will happen of her?
They don't really say.
As for the question of how do people address each other, I finally got it!
Edgeworth calls Franziska "Mei", she calls him by his full name
Edgeworth calls Karma "Sensei", he calls him "Mitsurugi"
Fran calls Karma "Papa", he calls her "Mei"
Kay calls Gumshoe "Noko-chan," Edgeworth calls Rou "Mister Rou" (Mister in English), Edgeworth calls Kay "Mikumo-kun" and she calls him "Mitsurugi-san", Rou and Shiina call each other Rou and Shiina, Rou's men call him "Shifu" (a combination of father and master), Ichiru and Wakana refer to everyone with -sama... and that's all I remember for now.
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Is there a reason why Rou's men call him 'shifu'? Other than him seeming to have a close bond with the people he works with, that is.
As for Kazura,
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Rou and his men are very tight. If one of them is nearby they'll leap to his defense the minute Edgeworth says anything anti-Rou. It's kinda cute <3
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I'm not going to go into anything involving fanfics, since i don't read any, but someone mentioned Karma raping someone in one of them?
No offense, but that's messed up, even by fanfic standards. With the whole "Onii-chan" crush thing someone mentioned about Edgeworth and Franzy, most of that usually only occurs in poorly written "step-brother/sister" animes/mangas. "Step-siblings" are pretty much a free "non-incest" relationship for bored writers. I highly doubt that they'd put something like that in a Ace Attorney game.
Also what does Rou call Edgey anyway? Does this change over the course of the game? (See Godot. Starts by calling Phoenix "Trite", then by the end he's calling him "Wright" and we love his character)
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(See Godot. Starts by calling Phoenix "Trite", then by the end he's calling him "Wright" and we love his character)
Speak for yourself!
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I'm not going to go into anything involving fanfics, since i don't read any, but someone mentioned Karma raping someone in one of them?
No offense, but that's messed up, even by fanfic standards. With the whole "Onii-chan" crush thing someone mentioned about Edgeworth and Franzy, most of that usually only occurs in poorly written "step-brother/sister" animes/mangas. "Step-siblings" are pretty much a free "non-incest" relationship for bored writers. I highly doubt that they'd put something like that in a Ace Attorney game.
No offense, but that's messed up, even by fanfic standards. With the whole "Onii-chan" crush thing someone mentioned about Edgeworth and Franzy, most of that usually only occurs in poorly written "step-brother/sister" animes/mangas. "Step-siblings" are pretty much a free "non-incest" relationship for bored writers. I highly doubt that they'd put something like that in a Ace Attorney game.
I don't really understand your point!
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I think in case 3 Rou calls him "Kenji-san" (Prosecutor-san). By the end they're on much better terms but I forget if his mode of address changes. I know Badou goes from calling Edgeworth "boy" "child" "kid" etc to his name by the end of case 4.
Speak for yourself!
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(See Godot. Starts by calling Phoenix "Trite", then by the end he's calling him "Wright" and we love his character)
Speak for yourself!
I don't like him either!
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That's why I said the game is a little fanon-breaking in that regard. Karma is dismissive of Fran but not in a cold way, and he's strict with Edgeworth but if you didn't know better you'd think he was almost proud of him.
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Stelman257 wrote:
I'm not going to go into anything involving fanfics, since i don't read any, but someone mentioned Karma raping someone in one of them?
No offense, but that's messed up, even by fanfic standards. With the whole "Onii-chan" crush thing someone mentioned about Edgeworth and Franzy, most of that usually only occurs in poorly written "step-brother/sister" animes/mangas. "Step-siblings" are pretty much a free "non-incest" relationship for bored writers. I highly doubt that they'd put something like that in a Ace Attorney game.
No offense, but that's messed up, even by fanfic standards. With the whole "Onii-chan" crush thing someone mentioned about Edgeworth and Franzy, most of that usually only occurs in poorly written "step-brother/sister" animes/mangas. "Step-siblings" are pretty much a free "non-incest" relationship for bored writers. I highly doubt that they'd put something like that in a Ace Attorney game.
I don't really understand your point!
Ehh, don't worry about it.
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Croik wrote:
I think in case 3 Rou calls him "Kenji-san" (Prosecutor-san). By the end they're on much better terms but I forget if his mode of address changes. I know Badou goes from calling Edgeworth "boy" "child" "kid" etc to his name by the end of case 4.
Speak for yourself!
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(See Godot. Starts by calling Phoenix "Trite", then by the end he's calling him "Wright" and we love his character)
Speak for yourself!
I don't like him either!
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Her mother's family. I'm not sure if the wording implied her mother was still alive or not...I'm thinking not...but if they lived so far away it might be that Ichijou and his wife were divorced, which kind of fits the feeling I get from him.
As for Shifu, this is the first time I've seen it used, so I couldn't tell you the specifics about what it implies.
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Croik wrote:
As for Shifu, this is the first time I've seen it used, so I couldn't tell you the specifics about what it implies.
Sifu is essentially the Chinese equivilent of sensei. Sifu means something like 'master' or 'teacher'. They're typically used for those who work in skilled trade (like cooks and what have you) and obviously for martial arts. Unlike the usage of sensai, you don't generally refer to doctors or lawyer etc as sifu, as some might find it disrespectful.
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