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Re: Bleach

Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:41 pm

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The thing I like about Fox Head is that he feels like he has the largest room to grow. Of all the Captains, he has the largest baring on the story just because of his relationship with Kaname. There's a great dynamic there; for the longest time his only true friend was Kaname, a blind guy who really doesn't care what anyone looks like. But, as anyone who reads Bleach knows, his best friend inexplicably leaves him, beaten, to chase some sort of unnamed justice. Of course, Fox Head wants to chase his friend down and beat some sense into him, so that's his motivation for engaging all of these retarded villains Tite's been throwing at us. His major problem is that Tite doesn't develop him enough. He's got all of this potential to be a really great character, but every time his opportunity comes, he just shows up for a chapter or two and then leaves. Oh well, I'd still like to see what becomes of all of this. Currently, I find this side story to be infinitely more interesting than anything else the manga has to offer.

I don't see how anyone could say he's marginally worse than any other character in the series; at least he has good motives.

BETRAYAL AND LIES. THAT IS WHAT WAS LEFT FOR FOXHEAD. THAT IS WHAT HE MUST OVERCOME.

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Re: Bleach

Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:49 pm

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Holy Hell wrote:

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Whut? No he isn't.
Everyone loves him.

Now Hitsugaya..that faggot is an awful, awful overhyped character.

Well, look. Let's think of a Bleach character. Like Chad. I always thought Chad had a great design and he even has my favorite power: that just one big giant mechanical looking fucking super arm thing.

But his character is so weird. He's like this big huge gorilla that lumbers around going "uh uh uh me love... friend" and then gets beaten around because he's also autistic and has poor cognitive skills. Nobody around him ever really notices his existence even. Like, he adds some grunts into the conversation, but everybody else does too so he doesn't really have a place. Does he have a goal in life or a reason to follow Ichigo?

A lot of Bleach's cast kind of feels disjointed like that. Kubo just strings together large batches of one-note characters to artificially enhance his world and in a sense, it kind of works. It at least feels populated. It's just, once you look at the cardboard characters a little more closely and they tip over, it feels strangely eerie and empty.

A large majority of them are just awful, awful.

While you're mostly right about the 2 dimensional nature of most of the characters, you still have to remember it's a shonen manga.
If you're looking for depth, you're looking in the wrong section. (There probably are exeptions, but just look at the average)

We all know Bleach is rather like a rehashed DBZ, with swords (yes, common analogy).
While both can be described as a vicious circle of fighting/ get stronger, I always felt like Bleach focused more on quantity then quality.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the comic, but while DBZ focused mostly on the main character and adding single enemies when the "story" called for it, Bleach kind of "overloads" with the amount of characters, thus sacrificing character depth.

The thing that ticks me off is while originally a small (no pun) character such as Hitsugaya gets so much background due to a popularity contest, while 90% of the rest gets nothing at all.
Yet, Kubo keeps adding new characters to the mix, rather then focus on the current cast.

So yes, In a way it is expected, But it's not that the characters are awful, just that most are underdeveloped.
Still, love that Fox guy, crazy scientist, Shunsui and Rose.

Wait, This turned out more like an agreement, then a rebuttal.
Oh well.

Edit: didn't see your post there Pickens, so yes, agreed on the whole development thing.

Re: Bleach

Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:40 pm

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because everyone knows the vizards are the only cool people in bleach.

I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but honestly

It's true. The vizards are flat out the only cool characters. The only likable ones even, besides Shunsui.

i was serious :phoenix:

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Thus far, Ichigo irritates me, sorry I know a lot of people love main characters (oh really?) but so far it feels like DBZ again with him, Oh no he is losing, omg he suddenly got badass, oh he is losing again, badass... losing... new unexplainable badass moment.. WHAT!

Spoiler: every single story arc in dbz

Re: Bleach

Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:36 pm

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Ceres wrote:

Holy Hell wrote:

Ceres wrote:

Whut? No he isn't.
Everyone loves him.

Now Hitsugaya..that faggot is an awful, awful overhyped character.

Well, look. Let's think of a Bleach character. Like Chad. I always thought Chad had a great design and he even has my favorite power: that just one big giant mechanical looking fucking super arm thing.

But his character is so weird. He's like this big huge gorilla that lumbers around going "uh uh uh me love... friend" and then gets beaten around because he's also autistic and has poor cognitive skills. Nobody around him ever really notices his existence even. Like, he adds some grunts into the conversation, but everybody else does too so he doesn't really have a place. Does he have a goal in life or a reason to follow Ichigo?

A lot of Bleach's cast kind of feels disjointed like that. Kubo just strings together large batches of one-note characters to artificially enhance his world and in a sense, it kind of works. It at least feels populated. It's just, once you look at the cardboard characters a little more closely and they tip over, it feels strangely eerie and empty.

A large majority of them are just awful, awful.

While you're mostly right about the 2 dimensional nature of most of the characters, you still have to remember it's a shonen manga.
If you're looking for depth, you're looking in the wrong section. (There probably are exeptions, but just look at the average)

No, my complaints are valid. I hate to pull "I've read more manga than you", but it does apply here. Out of the several decades worth of series I've read in this genre, Bleach doesn't remotely apply as "average", it's very much below-average action series.

Bleach's major issues have nothing to do with the genre they're in. There's a pile-load of shonen action series that give their characters the right amount of depth, motivation, background, personality, and so forth.

But it's not nearly a huge problem in Bleach's case. It poorly implements characterization, but it gives less of a shit about it. It may not be aware that it's stupid, but it is aware that it's only trying to be fun. If that makes sense.

Compare to Naruto, which is actually trying to be dense and emotional. The author himself actually admits that he's trying to make some kind of masterpiece. Too bad he's a huge retard. Every time I feel like bringing down Bleach, I just have to remind myself of how hands down Bad Series With No Redeeming Qualities Whatsoever Naruto is and I'm able to give it a nice pat on the shoulder.

It's cool Bleach. We coo'.

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Re: Bleach

Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:46 am

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So I've caught up with the manga and I'm really excited about the new chapter~

Spoiler: chapter 366

And 228 was just... hilarious fanservice. Of course, I thought, "at least there's no tentacles, right?"
BAD ME. BAD ME. :headbang:

I mean, even though it mostly catered to the male audience, I loved their serious voices, especially the parts with Byakuya and Rukia. Their taste in art is impeccable :P

Re: Bleach

Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:41 pm

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YASS! A Bleach Forum! Gin ichimaru should have WAY more screen time, Yoruichi's a babe, Hollow Ichigo's a fucking psychopath and Uruhada reminds me of my uncle.
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Re: Bleach

Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:36 pm

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Spoiler: chapter 368 spoilers

Ok I caved & watched the proper start to the filler & it was suprisingly good. I guess the last 3 crapfests were just padding for this one. I'm actually looking forward to see how this plot will progress (but I'll still read the latest manga chapters since its clear by this point that the current manga storyline is more interesting & thrilling)

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Re: Bleach

Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:07 pm

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I'm pretty hooked on the new filler arc, especially with the manga fights seeming a little slow to me, but I'm still new to the whole "one chapter per week" thing. Of course, Kubo's taking a week off, so I'll have to wait two weeks for the next chapter... *rocks back and forth impatiently*

It feels as if the filler arc is also slowing down a little, but then I remember... it's only been two episodes. When I look at it that way, they've covered a lot of exposition and the story's ready to fly now~ I'm really hoping the MAIN main characters get more of a role in this arc since they're ignored so often for the shinigami. I mean, I love all the characters, but you'd think the main cast would be given more of a chance to shine. Anyways, even if they don't, I'm reeeeeeally hoping that Ichigo doesn't somehow manage to get his uber bankai-hollowmask-vizard-whatever ownage on Muramasa cuz it's getting old now. I'd really like Ichigo to either learn how to defeat someone without powering up and depending on his sword all the time, or teaming up with someone else (and he does the finishing blow, kinda like in the second movie, except with less Hitsugaya fanservice plz. I love the squirt, but he's getting too much attention.)

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Re: Bleach

Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:06 am

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Naruto and Ichigo do both go badass, but at least it has something to do with the story- Ichigo:s inner hollow and Naruto:s Kyuubi. And both are a major part of the story.

Bleach is the only anime with DECENT filler episodes.

All of Naruto between, I think 150-210 or something is so USELESS.

The Bount, Rurichiyo, Forest of Menos arcs were actually decent.

Hitsugaya and Karin playing soccer!

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Re: Bleach

Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:09 am

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The Objector wrote:

All of Naruto between, I think 150-210 or something is so USELESS.

HEY! not to get off topic or anything, but episode 193 was awesome.

personally, filler arcs are filler arcs, and i don't like them. the ones in bleach as well.

Re: Bleach

Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:55 pm

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I command this topic to rise from the dead!

Now then, I like Bleach. I've got two Bleach DS games, and I've watched a lot of subbed episodes, though I have yet to catch up (I'm at episode 158/159) It's awesome and there is a lot of humor to it.

Still, there's one thought that's been in my mind for a while now.

Spoiler: What's on my mind

Re: Bleach

Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:20 am

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General Tommy wrote:

Spoiler: What's on my mind

I'm sure theres a piece of fanart/fanfiction out there that can answer that & if not...then...errr.....ANYWAY

Regarding the dub, apparently its on hiatus after last weeks arining of ep 167 which means no WIDESCREEN fix yet until...errr....whenever? But then again it will just be the goddam filler first anyway so...

Now as for subs, it doesn't look like the current filler is going to leave anytime sooner which irritates me since its been on for wayyyy too long in my opinion. So really I've been going to the manga for my fix recently. I encourage the rest of you to do the same if you're at the current point in the anime.

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Re: Bleach

Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:39 pm

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Well, looks like I'm pretty late to the party, but still. I find it pretty cool that Zaraki and Byakuya are fighting both in the anime and in the manga (if only that stupid Yammi didn't keep on getting in the way XD). I don't mind the filler arc that much, but now it looks like all the zanpakuto are going to return to their owners, which seems like a pretty cheap trick to pull. I sympathized so much more with Muramasa when he was injured by Hichigo and wandered around in a pathetic, wounded state, not being Atmey/Kira on crack.

Re: Bleach

Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:51 pm

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I liked this show until Ichigo lost his personality and became much better suited for the name 'Generic Shonen Hero #346357493845'.

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Re: Bleach

Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:39 pm

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Zeronos wrote:

I liked this show until Ichigo lost his personality and became much better suited for the name 'Generic Shonen Hero #346357493845'.

The fact that Hichigo is so much cooler and more lovable than Ichigo also messes with the plot somewhat :yuusaku:

Re: Bleach

Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:42 am

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I'm actually kind of intrigued by this filler, mostly because I think Sougyou no Kotowari is freakin' adorable and the nakama in the real world are finally gonna have some screentime. I miss them so much ;-; and I like the "so bad it's good" qualities of some parts, especially Ichigo. Oh god, Ichigo. YES, FLY TOWARDS THE FLAMES, THEY CAN'T HURT YOU CUZ YOU'RE THE HERO-- *sizzle* aw, sucks for you. And before that, Yoruichi made him think too much and he slipped and fell... IchigoxStupid Canon'd.

Maybe it's just because I barely started reading the manga weekly about 3 months ago, but the story feels like it's dragging immensely. When's the last time we saw Ukitake? Oh yeah...

Spoiler: D:

And this sounds a bit bloodthirsty, but I want a good guy to die already. If Kubo really trolls the forums, then he should pick up on this already <_<

... I'm just being picky though; if this actually pissed me off, I wouldn't be reading/watching it, would I? :P

Re: Bleach

Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:40 am

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Yeah, right now I also just watch the anime in a semi-intrigued-but-still-just-for-the-laughs manner. Has anyone noticed the amount of innuendo we've been getting lately from the filler? Mainly because EVERYTHING Kenpachi says can be interpreted as sexual and Muramasa's ability is to mindrape people...yeah.

Is Hisagi dead? Anyone want to speculate?

Re: Bleach

Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:56 pm

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Re: Bleach

Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:45 pm

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Spoiler: Latest Chapter

About Hisagi, I guess no-one ever dies in Bleach... EVER... :sigh:

Re: Bleach

Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:54 pm

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Spoiler: latest chapter

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Re: Bleach

Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:39 pm

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Miles Wright 114 wrote:

Spoiler: latest chapter

Spoiler: Latest Chapter

Re: Bleach

Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:09 pm

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Spoiler: Chapter 386 MAJOR SPOILERS

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Re: Bleach

Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:37 pm

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Miles Wright 114 wrote:

Spoiler: Chapter 386 MAJOR SPOILERS

Spoiler: Chapter 386

Re: Bleach

Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:50 am

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Spoiler: chapter 387

Re: Bleach

Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:52 pm

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Jade wrote:

Spoiler: chapter 387

Now, anyone wanna discuss the anime? I'm liking this filler arc.

Re: Bleach

Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:40 am

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Midnight Jasper wrote:

Now, anyone wanna discuss the anime? I'm liking this filler arc.

Seconded. It's a lot more original than anything Kubo-sensei's given us so far, and it's given the animators a lot of excuses to draw some extremely awesome fight scenes. Although it sucks Kenpachi and Byakuya never really got to fight...

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Re: Bleach

Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:46 am

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Spoiler: up to the latest chapter, 387 i believe

Re: Bleach

Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:18 pm

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L_J wrote:

Spoiler: up to the latest chapter, 387 i believe

Spoiler:

Re: Bleach

Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:46 pm

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the episodes in manga are more advanced than the videos i checked on youtube.Id love to watch Aizen vs the 2nd Hollow Form of Ichigo.

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Re: Bleach

Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:10 pm

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I'm now watching Bleach, from time to time. Some days ago I finished 7th season. And I'm positive that I like this anime.
Then again, which anime I DIDN'T like? As I remember, none =)

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Re: Bleach

Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:07 am

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awwww ****. Am I really that far behind on Bleach? I THINK I'm on episode 93 or 94. I'm not sure. The Bount Arc was kinda weird, I didn't really hate it, it's probably because I'm young and I can't read subtitles and draw at the same time... Now I'm on the next arc that I can't remember the name of.
I started watching it two years ago, then I stopped. Then I had a distant memory of Ichigo's head in Rukia's lap, from episode 10, then I decided to watch it. For real this time, 2 years ago I was a stupid little unmature girl who kept on watching episode 16... *ashamed*
Anyway, I think Bleach is pretty good! It's the only anime I've ever been involved in besides Pokemon.The captain of the 12 squad scares me though... *shivers*

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