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I, really, can't stand Apollo as a rip of Phoenix who's too easily mindfucked into following other peoples' whims.
I've decided to change my idea. I hope Phoenix plays the role of the player. It's his series, Apollo was a disgrace, and he's finally got his name cleared. It's perfect.
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Point is, it's Phoenix's series. Apollo may have starred in a game, and Edgeworth may have, but the game started and ran through most of its success as Phoenix. Phoenix has to show up, even if he's just a mentor character.
I, really, can't stand Apollo as a rip of Phoenix who's too easily mindfucked into following other peoples' whims.
I've decided to change my idea. I hope Phoenix plays the role of the player. It's his series, Apollo was a disgrace, and he's finally got his name cleared. It's perfect.
I, really, can't stand Apollo as a rip of Phoenix who's too easily mindfucked into following other peoples' whims.
I've decided to change my idea. I hope Phoenix plays the role of the player. It's his series, Apollo was a disgrace, and he's finally got his name cleared. It's perfect.
Umm Hello? It can't JUST be Phoenix's series...he shares the playable character role with 3 other people! Mia, Apollo and Edgeworth.
Ok so thats 4 protaganists in 4 standard series GS games.
Whats more they tried to start afresh with AJ.
If you've got beef with Apollo as a character thats your problem I think he's FINE!
And how can you say Apollo was a disgrace after he cleared Phoenix's name! You Psycho-Phoenix fans owe him that much.
Apollo is going to go on to have many more adventures, Phoenix can aid him but can't do it for him.
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Whats more they tried to start afresh with AJ.
And failed.
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And how can you say Apollo was a disgrace after he cleared Phoenix's name! You Psycho-Phoenix fans owe him that much.
Phoenix cleared Phoenix's name. Apollo was just a pawn to achieve this. He didn't even know he was working to clear Phoenix's name half the time.
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Also, it IS Apollo Justice 1. Remember how Phoenix Wright 1 was Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, might I ask you what AJ, was called? That's right, Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney. And don't even bother trying to use the GS4 argument. It's called GS4 because it's the FOURTH TURNABOUT ATTORNEY game. In Japan, the title was based off the gameplay, not the characters/
The English title is irrelevant and doesn't reflect the intentions of the writers or Capcom Japan. It's NOT called AJ1, PW1 had no number because they wouldn't necessarily localise PW2. [Localising GS5, though is almost a given] In Japan it's GS4, not 'series 2:1'
Capcom decided to commission and release GK instead of starting/speeding up production of GS5. GK isn't the root cause of the delay, just a symptom.
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Though all the same I don't see why Lamiroir needs to die because Misty did. That'd just be cruel as Maya at least had a father SOMEWHERE but Trucy would have no blood parentage then.
Maya's father 'died when she was really little' [1-2]. And good riddance if Trucy's parents both die. She's better off without them, all disappearing and abandoning her, even when they're famous celebrities. I mean, Thalassa just abandoned Apollo who knows where, before she 'lost her memory' haha.
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And failed.
Thats solid conjecture right there, AJ1 sold well plus it kept me happily entertained I was pleased with the new characters and storylines. I thought the new 'Cornered' theme wasn't as good but the 'Objection' theme is better. Apollo successfully took off I'd say but the writer demanding Phoenix be in it hindered his progress for sure.
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Phoenix cleared Phoenix's name. Apollo was just a pawn to achieve this. He didn't even know he was working to clear Phoenix's name half the time.
Even a pawn can become a Queen, but you make it seem like Phoenix is this great big horribly manipulative human being. He didn't USE Apollo at all.
I'm not going to deny that at least part of his motive wasn't selfish...he wanted to exact justice on Kristoph as revenge but thats only part. He reunited Apollo and his sister (Though they don't know it) and helped Apollo come into his own as a Defence Attorney. You make it sound like all he wanted was his badge but thats not telling the whole story. Phoenix's wisdom aided Apollo, if anything Phoenix's 'broken' form serves as an example to Apollo of what can happen if you lose your way on the path to Justice. Besides, not every case could have been predicted by Phoenix and couldn't play to his 'master plan' you imagine. Lamiroir for one, Phoenix played little role in that case and had Lamiroir been convicted the deciding verdict against Vera would've been lacking and Phoenix may not have cleared his name. Phoenix is not some master schemer, his bringing Apollo under his wing was not solely so he can get his badge back. I'd have thought for a fan of Phoenix you wouldn't have painted him in such a negative light.
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The English title is irrelevant and doesn't reflect the intentions of the writers or Capcom Japan. It's NOT called AJ1, PW1 had no number because they wouldn't necessarily localise PW2. [Localising GS5, though is almost a given] In Japan it's GS4, not 'series 2:1'
Capcom decided to commission and release GK instead of starting/speeding up production of GS5. GK isn't the root cause of the delay, just a symptom.
Capcom decided to commission and release GK instead of starting/speeding up production of GS5. GK isn't the root cause of the delay, just a symptom.
We're not in Japan though. Localisation here has split it into a series. You don't just do an entire series about one person then move onto a whole story about another person and claim its the same series. It's the start of a new product a new story. I only use AJ1 because I expect it's just the start of the story. In actuality selling a game branded Phoenix Wright 2 or 3 doesn't have the same effect as "Phoenix Wright Justice for all" for example. Looking at past examples using our localisation we'd expect Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney to follow on with sequels and continue his own series with equally witty titles.
I don't even know why we're squabbling over titles, I'm still going to maintain my belief it's AJ1 and you will no doubt say it's still Phoenix's series or whatever
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Maya's father 'died when she was really little' [1-2]. And good riddance if Trucy's parents both die. She's better off without them, all disappearing and abandoning her, even when they're famous celebrities. I mean, Thalassa just abandoned Apollo who knows where, before she 'lost her memory' haha.
My apologies, I forgot about Maya's past, with Court Records down mostly checking my facts can get difficult. Also theres not enough information to make such horrible judgements of Thalassa's character. Maybe the father didn't want to keep up with the famous lifestyle or had a dispute with one of the troupe. Thalassa may have entrusted Apollo to his father in the hope he could give him a good life, for all I can remember of AJ1 his father may even still be alive sitting at home going "Ahh....my boy is doing well in the big city" after reading about a successful court case he had. You cannot judge Thalassa for abandoning Apollo until we know more and getting shot in the head is a pretty reasonable excuse for losing your memory hell most people thought she was dead.
This is what I mean about Apollo Justice having so much room to explore! Who is his father? What were the circumstances of him leaving Thalassa? Why was Thalassa not reunited with the troupe by the doctor after losing her memory.
Apollo's backstory is still there and waiting to be explored so Capcom have plenty of reason to fill it in and churn out another few games about him and his friends.
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Even a pawn can become a Queen, but you make it seem like Phoenix is this great big horribly manipulative human being. He didn't USE Apollo at all.
I'm not going to deny that at least part of his motive wasn't selfish...he wanted to exact justice on Kristoph as revenge but thats only part. He reunited Apollo and his sister (Though they don't know it) and helped Apollo come into his own as a Defence Attorney. You make it sound like all he wanted was his badge but thats not telling the whole story. Phoenix's wisdom aided Apollo, if anything Phoenix's 'broken' form serves as an example to Apollo of what can happen if you lose your way on the path to Justice. Besides, not every case could have been predicted by Phoenix and couldn't play to his 'master plan' you imagine. Lamiroir for one, Phoenix played little role in that case and had Lamiroir been convicted the deciding verdict against Vera would've been lacking and Phoenix may not have cleared his name. Phoenix is not some master schemer, his bringing Apollo under his wing was not solely so he can get his badge back. I'd have thought for a fan of Phoenix you wouldn't have painted him in such a negative light.
I'm not going to deny that at least part of his motive wasn't selfish...he wanted to exact justice on Kristoph as revenge but thats only part. He reunited Apollo and his sister (Though they don't know it) and helped Apollo come into his own as a Defence Attorney. You make it sound like all he wanted was his badge but thats not telling the whole story. Phoenix's wisdom aided Apollo, if anything Phoenix's 'broken' form serves as an example to Apollo of what can happen if you lose your way on the path to Justice. Besides, not every case could have been predicted by Phoenix and couldn't play to his 'master plan' you imagine. Lamiroir for one, Phoenix played little role in that case and had Lamiroir been convicted the deciding verdict against Vera would've been lacking and Phoenix may not have cleared his name. Phoenix is not some master schemer, his bringing Apollo under his wing was not solely so he can get his badge back. I'd have thought for a fan of Phoenix you wouldn't have painted him in such a negative light.
Nah, Phoenix was being rather manipulative, no real way around it, doesn’t necessarily mean he’s bad, evil or selfish. I wrote a lengthy post about this before, let me see if I can find it …
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We're not in Japan though. Localisation here has split it into a series. You don't just do an entire series about one person then move onto a whole story about another person and claim its the same series. It's the start of a new product a new story. I only use AJ1 because I expect it's just the start of the story. In actuality selling a game branded Phoenix Wright 2 or 3 doesn't have the same effect as "Phoenix Wright Justice for all" for example. Looking at past examples using our localisation we'd expect Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney to follow on with sequels and continue his own series with equally witty titles.
I don't even know why we're squabbling over titles, I'm still going to maintain my belief it's AJ1 and you will no doubt say it's still Phoenix's series or whatever Though I'm uncertain why you brought the GK information into this. I'm not bothered by the delay.
I don't even know why we're squabbling over titles, I'm still going to maintain my belief it's AJ1 and you will no doubt say it's still Phoenix's series or whatever
Though I'm uncertain why you brought the GK information into this. I'm not bothered by the delay.Uh … you realize that Japan is where the game is made, right? Taken from an interview with the GK producer, the Japanese fanbase is pretty much the only group that gets any attention from the Devs. The localization team and Capcom USA doesn’t have any say in the development process, what they do is largely irrelevant as far as sequels go. The “Ace Attorney” trademark was created for the US/EU market mostly because “Turnabout Trial”, the literal translation of Gyakuten Saiban, doesn’t really flow well into English. There’s nothing more to it than that.
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Uh … you realize that Japan is where the game is made, right? Taken from an interview with the GK producer, the Japanese fanbase is pretty much the only group that gets any attention from the Devs. The localization team and Capcom USA doesn’t have any say in the development process, what they do is largely irrelevant as far as sequels go. The “Ace Attorney” trademark was created for the US/EU market mostly because “Turnabout Trial”, the literal translation of Gyakuten Saiban, doesn’t really flow well into English. There’s nothing more to it than that.
Yeah but I lost track of what Icer was on about trying to say it's not a new series simply because it's all "Gyakuten Saiben" in title.
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Phoenix was the one that plotted everything, over 7 years had been trying to get something on Kristoph, While Phoenix set up the plan, Apollo was the one that followed him. I really do hope that we don't go deep into Apollo's background, now that I think about it. Phoenix was a good idea, how he was inspired by something from his childhood, Apollo could have just been a kid who enjoyed law.
The reason I think Apollo Justice existed was so that we learn what happened to Phoenix, Apollo just had to take the role of Attorney, seeing as they couldn't make Phoenix the Attorney.
I would be somewhat happy if AJ was the final game, but since they're making another one, there must be something more.
So, IMO, I think Phoenix sould have as big a role is GS5, As in AJ.
Maybe a smaller role, though.
But like I said before, they should just let him be the the head of the jurist's system.
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We're not in Japan though. Localisation here has split it into a series. You don't just do an entire series about one person then move onto a whole story about another person and claim its the same series. It's the start of a new product a new story. I only use AJ1 because I expect it's just the start of the story. In actuality selling a game branded Phoenix Wright 2 or 3 doesn't have the same effect as "Phoenix Wright Justice for all" for example. Looking at past examples using our localisation we'd expect Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney to follow on with sequels and continue his own series with equally witty titles.
I don't even know why we're squabbling over titles, I'm still going to maintain my belief it's AJ1 and you will no doubt say it's still Phoenix's series or whatever Though I'm uncertain why you brought the GK information into this. I'm not bothered by the delay.
I don't even know why we're squabbling over titles, I'm still going to maintain my belief it's AJ1 and you will no doubt say it's still Phoenix's series or whatever
Though I'm uncertain why you brought the GK information into this. I'm not bothered by the delay.That's right. We're not in Japan.
However, the game, itself, is in Japan. And the Japanese developers who have their Japanese game with its Japanese story will make it how they make it. And when it's localized, it'll have to deal with the Japanese story and its Japanese characters, Phoenix, Apollo, Edgeworth, or none.
So, no matter what, we're gonna have to deal with what they give us and pray that while they're making it, what they give us is what we want.
And, I want Phoenix. Polly's too farfetched for me. Perceive my ass.
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And how is APOLLO farfetched as compared to Phoenix. Hell, AJ is WAY more realistic than the PW series. I mean, ESP, Sprit-Channeling, Psyche-Locks?
At least they tried to ground their basics in realism. All Perceiving is is Apollo calming himself and focusing on the entire body looking for nervous ticks. Which are very common. You also have to understand why T&T was so great, you had two previous games to build on the major character's backstories pretty well. Thus, you CAN'T compare it to AJ1, story wise. It'd be better to compare it to PW1. I mean, they're starting with a completely blank slate in regards to character and setting. Phoenix was again, more or less a plot device for new characters, and was possibly added in to anchor the series in some familiarity.
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My opinion is that he should be the PC. I prefer Phoenix over Apollo, for my own reasons.
So, let's get back on-topic and cut the Apollo crap. Save that for a dedicated thread.
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Feh. This discussion isn't about Apollo, it's about Phoenix and the role he should play in GS5.
My opinion is that he should be the PC. I prefer Phoenix over Apollo, for my own reasons.
So, let's get back on-topic and cut the Apollo crap. Save that for a dedicated thread.
My opinion is that he should be the PC. I prefer Phoenix over Apollo, for my own reasons.
So, let's get back on-topic and cut the Apollo crap. Save that for a dedicated thread.
If I think your trying to put Phoenix as the main PC in Apollo's game then it certainly is Apollo's business.
To restate: I think Phoenix works well as a mentor and side-character, I would like to see him marry Thalassa take up Piano lessons and clean up a bit by the end of GS5 but thats probably just a pipe dream.
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I think he'd be fine in a mentor role as well. Wouldnt he be the Mia of AJ then?
The not-dead equivalent yes...
Sorry but some folk seem to want him killed off and I felt it needed to be said
Besides there's no Fey's no more it's not like he could be channeled back to the series if they did.
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I felt TnT wrapped everything up pretty well for me it didn't feel like JUST ANOTHER ending for me..
Plus Phoenix only said he might take the bar exam again...also said he might take Piano lessons.
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I noticed that too, he said it in a jokey kind of way didnt he?
Yeah he said them both in a jokey way. Still it'd be cool if he became a great Pianist
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Still, it just ended bad, they could had made other stuff, and a better ending for phoenix on his games, besides why 7 years? is way too much -.- i think they screwed the last moments of phoenix, and why didnt edgeworth helped after all that happened between them, or gumshoe, franzisca, or what happened to maya and pearl and maybe even godot if he is still alive, or even pearl's mom was out at this time, did she just gave up like that?... *sight* they made a way too big jump... anyway i still have my hope we will see more of him anyway and as protagonist
You just sound desperate for old characters, the Fey's sure wonder about them but Morgana Fey? Thats just a bit much, Godot is probably doing time, Maya is now master of the Kurain being the closest descendant of Misty Fey so certainly spends her time there.
Edgeworth's whereabouts maybe revealed at the end of AAI, even so he's not part of Apollo's timeline. Gumshoe's whereabouts may also be connected to AAI but I think it's just that he's not worked on any of Apollo's cases. Pearl is probably helping Maya and Franziska may have went back to Germany having made peace with Phoenix Wright though she appears in AAI too so her location may be definate as well.
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i think they screwed the last moments of phoenix
Have to agree on that. It was a stupid move of the writers to take away his badge barely two months after 3-5, two months after Mia aknowledged Phoenix as being a lawyer equal to her, two months after he proved he can stand on his own two feet and take on a foe like Godot, it's like as Phoenix was trying to walk out the door AJ came along, kicked him in the back, then dragged him back into the hotspot with his life gone to shit. That's just horrible.
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and why didnt edgeworth helped after all that happened between them, or gumshoe, franzisca, or what happened to maya and pearl and maybe even godot if he is still alive
That's one of the more talked about things on the forum: Where did everyone go after Phoenix was disbarred? There are many theories about it, some say Phoenix shunned them, some say they shunned Phoenix, some say they all died, some say we just never saw them since we're in Apollo's POV, there are a lot of arguments, but nothing concrete. The DVDs in 4-2 are the only hint that Maya is still alive and connected to Phoenix, as vague as it was. Hopefully AA5 or even AAI2 will answer some of these questions.
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or even pearl's mom was out at this time, did she just gave up like that?...
It can be asssumed Morgan got in big trouble for setting up a murder plan while behind bars in 3-5, and is likely in solitary confidement.
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*sight* they made a way too big jump... anyway i still have my hope we will see more of him anyway and as protagonist
I'm sure he'll stick around as a protagonist, maybe not the main playable, but once in a blue moon we'll get to play as him, maybe in a situation when Apollo can't do it due to an accident or he lacks confidence from a tramatic incident.
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Still, it just ended bad, they could had made other stuff, and a better ending for phoenix on his games, besides why 7 years? is way too much -.- i think they screwed the last moments of phoenix, and why didnt edgeworth helped after all that happened between them, or gumshoe, franzisca, or what happened to maya and pearl and maybe even godot if he is still alive, or even pearl's mom was out at this time, did she just gave up like that?... *sight* they made a way too big jump... anyway i still have my hope we will see more of him anyway and as protagonist
You just sound desperate for old characters, the Fey's sure wonder about them but Morgana Fey? Thats just a bit much, Godot is probably doing time, Maya is now master of the Kurain being the closest descendant of Misty Fey so certainly spends her time there.
Edgeworth's whereabouts maybe revealed at the end of AAI, even so he's not part of Apollo's timeline. Gumshoe's whereabouts may also be connected to AAI but I think it's just that he's not worked on any of Apollo's cases. Pearl is probably helping Maya and Franziska may have went back to Germany having made peace with Phoenix Wright though she appears in AAI too so her location may be definate as well.
Its not being desesperate, its just they just left stuff like that, floating in the air, if they want to do a sequel they have to make the player know what happened after they stopped playing, (not just one character and forget about everyone else) maybe some stuff will appear in edgeworth's game but i dont think it will be big deal, since it will be more of a spinoff, and new gameplay..., maybe the timeline will be the same as phoenix is losing his badge, well i guess is because they were port games, they even forgot the franziska card, anyway, i think if they are not going to take the job of watching what they did before to link it correctly and they want to make a new main character, (AND if they really wanted to start fresh) they should just had started in a new country/state, and apollo making trying to figure everything more by himself, it would be even cooler if all the links between the old games were like, you playing as apollo and every once in a while he hears rumors of a defense attorney saving the defendants from the most hopeless cases, or a emotionless prosecutor and stuff like that, better than destroying the reputation of the first main character like that with any other crazy case (cause phoenix have been in worst cases than that) -.-.
All you said is just speculation (WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE!? xD JK) i dont think they just went on with their lifes after phoenix lost his badge, specially the closest people to nick, the producers couldnt just made all the links and making us understand the relationship between characters just to ruin it like this lol.
Is like if apollo died, or lost his badge to make the same example xD, and trucy doesnt help him and just keeps on doing her magic, or
keeps on prosecuting and doing nothing, i mean for example maya could had made phoenix go to kurain, or helped him when he lost the thing that linked them together, or edgeworth give a detective job to phoenix or anything like that, i guess im going to deep here, but it should be more likely like this. I guess im talking too much now xD
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You know, looking though this and the other major gs5 speculative thread (gs5 ideas), most discussion goes round and round in cycles; we’ve pretty much been repeating ourselves for the past months. I guess it can't be helped, there’s only so much to discuss with the little information (none at all) that we have on the game.
Very true. New people play the games and show up, and the same issues are raised. There are a lot of controversies over GS4 because so many things were ambiguous, even though some people tend to try to pretend they weren't and controversies don't exist. Or claim we're 'supposed' to blindly support the series, even if we considered GS4 or the new characters sub-standard to GS1 or GS3 or thought it was stupid to mess with the perfectly good completed arc's ending.
I'm so sick of the same topic I'm not writing an exhaustive list, but here's a few things which were 'ambiguous' at best in GS4, and no consensus can be reached, we've argued for years:
-Apollo is the 'main protagonist' but the 'main character' of GS4 is ambiguous since most of the game is about Phoenix and what happened to him in the 7 years, not Apollo's backstory - and you even play as Phoenix for part of it and are manipulated by him half of the game.
-Phoenix does so much of 4-1 and 4-4 for Apollo that that's ambiguous too. Apollo's not in control. Phoenix is controlling Apollo aka The Player. Phoenix, from a distance, is manipulating you, in a weird ironic spin on GS1.
-It's ambiguous whether it even happens after GS3 specifically, or is some weird alternate scenario following up 1-5 10 years later. The game is surreal and refs to GS2 and 3 and unreturned chars are only indirect Easter eggs
-It's ambiguous what the MASON System is or how literal anything is which occurs in it, or the Flashback Trial either [did that happen in the MASON System???]
-It's ambiguous if GS5 was even planned or is even started yet [they left options for a sequel, obviously, but they did not write it with the specific intention of GS5 - GS5 wasn't even contracted yet so that would not have occurred]
-And what GS5 is is still up to marketing. The marketing dept demanded Phoenix and Jurist Systems in GS4 [which arguably is what's responsible for the shortcomings of the game] who knows what they'll 'require' in GS5. Whether it will be 'AJ2' is ambiguous.
-Whether they will decide or be required by Capcom not to adhere to their GS4 policy of not returning or naming old chars in GS5 is ambiguous.
-It's ambiguous what they will do with Phoenix, and his ending in GS4 was unsatisfactory as it simply left him worse off than GS3 [or GS2, or GS1] and with every option open, he 'might' be a lawyer, or might not...
The game is supposed to be about jurist systems. I personally think that with the player even choosing the verdict at the end [as a jurist, not as Apollo or Phoenix] Apollo was a mechanism to force the player into a new role - playing jurist, but jurist of Phoenix himself. In GS1-3 we are in Phoenix's head and empathise with him due to this. In GS4 he gets thrown to the dogs and demonised in the worst possible light. The player is playing jurist, but not on Vera but on Phoenix's character [did he really forge the evidence? Is he a morally corrupt fraud?] throughout the entire game, and 'Apollo' is a means to let the player do this. That's one of my theories on what they were trying to achieve, though it's questionable how well it was pulled off and I'll never exactly get to ask them about it to confirm.
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WildArms wrote:
i wish we or i could know how was this game received in japan, sales obviously were great thanks to the previous games popularity, but since that game is made in japan, the game producers would be more in contact with japanese gamers (and maybe change things depending on what they ask), so i wonder what they say about the whole phoenix bad last days or apollo...
I can only go on 3rd-hand info.
Phoenix sold games, since people bought to find out 'what happened to Phoenix', but it didn't mean they liked it after. Sales figures != reception after playing. On some major internet forums, like 2channel [Not the counterpart of 4-chan] supposedly a lot of fans were extremely negative in reaction to it and some complaining about Matsukawa [GS4/1-5 producer] destroying Inaba's [GS1-3 producer] work along with a few conspiracy theories. There are a few ancient posts here on CR and GameFAQs mentioning it... and that's all the info I've found, in English. I'll just say it's probably not randomness they then made an Edgeworth game instead of GS5 earlier and keep outputting rehashes like the concerts and opera thing.
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end quote. 
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Anyway I hope the japanese fans don't sway the writer's hands too much, I was quite satisfied with the game, despite your qualms with it. But then again maybe I'm not a big a Phoenix fan as some of you
I wouldn't like to see a generally good game series butchered by whiny fans.
Still a home console GS game would be awesome, imagine objecting with the Wii Remote.
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I enjoyed AJ, it was a good game but I was unsatisfied with the ending. It left far too many things open and was a "To Be Continued" (OK perhaps thats a good thing in a way if it left me wanting more).
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Herr Blondie wrote:
You did NOT just say End Quote *horrible Brushel flashback*
Anyway I hope the japanese fans don't sway the writer's hands too much, I was quite satisfied with the game, despite your qualms with it. But then again maybe I'm not a big a Phoenix fan as some of you
I wouldn't like to see a generally good game series butchered by whiny fans.
Still a home console GS game would be awesome, imagine objecting with the Wii Remote.
Anyway I hope the japanese fans don't sway the writer's hands too much, I was quite satisfied with the game, despite your qualms with it. But then again maybe I'm not a big a Phoenix fan as some of you
I wouldn't like to see a generally good game series butchered by whiny fans.
Still a home console GS game would be awesome, imagine objecting with the Wii Remote.
YEah xD just imagine, this time maybe u check the crime scene in 3D and each time u aproach to a character and talk the common sprites we know and love appear above a dialogue screen and there appears the options talk, present, etc, and the courts and and phoenix 3D and the judge 3D god xD, i dont know if u've seen a game called heavy rain that will come soon, and the investigation could be kinda like that game... ahh so many ideas
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Apollo's game is just a way of telling you how Phoenix ended up, that's all I was really interested in, they made a new story with new characters way ahead into the future, and made the mian villain who ruined Phoenix a new character that appeared in 2 cases, no-one throughout the series.
I kinda agree with what the one user who says it ended badly, (Somewhat!) They invent a new case in which Phoenix, who you've playedfor for about 3 years of Games is disbarred for, Apollo's story was just a new puzzle for us.
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I felt it ended FINE!! With Vera happy and alive and Thalassa and Phoenix happy.
But until some more AJ2 (GS5 to some) news comes out I'll probably just chill from this battlezone for a while.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
I'm tired of these pointless debates since either parties are right, yes some of it was too Nick-centric, nonetheless I like Nick's new role AND I like Apollo. So I'm happy with things staying as is
I felt it ended FINE!! With Vera happy and alive and Thalassa and Phoenix happy.
But until some more AJ2 (GS5 to some) news comes out I'll probably just chill from this battlezone for a while.
I felt it ended FINE!! With Vera happy and alive and Thalassa and Phoenix happy.
But until some more AJ2 (GS5 to some) news comes out I'll probably just chill from this battlezone for a while.
But there will be more, remember that at the end phoenix said he was the only one who knew how trucy felt on the inside
, so i dont think we are done with phoenix and i dunno if he was really happy, i do hope apollo becomes better 
, although i dont know why but it made me feel weird everytime he was saying "can you give me a normal defendant" or something like that, because i just think like, lol phoenix have been worst, anyway i hope the producers think something more original for apollo so he can indipendice more from phoenix character, besides i just realized all of the cases are murder, i think the only one that wasnt murder was the one of AKA mask(star)demaske or something like that xD, i cant think of anyone that wasnt related to murder o-o 
And im not saying i dont like phoenix being mentor, and neither i dislike apollo, i just hate the way they made phoenix's last days of defense attoreny
Anyway ur right, i dont feel like we are fighting on a battlezone, just an exchange of opinions o.0, but all we gotta do is wait
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grim_tales wrote:
Hmmm.. I remember that. Nick didnt say anything about the crazy/wierd defendants.
Yeah i think he was more with the "hopeless cases", although he did have some "nice" defendants like the last one of the first game that was admiting she did it, as well the masdemaske, but i guess is normal i feel that way after 3 games xD, i'll just have to get used, i know they producers will think something cool and new for apollo on the next game, and he did have his nice defendants too xD, like the one that coudlnt talk, and the perception stuff is kinda cool.
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I'd like to see Maya. That could keep Phoenix busy in the background if she visited once case and then became an important part.
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