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No Way. Gant is way too awesome for someone like Iris. All Gant would do is Gant her. She should by lucky if Gant Ganted her.
Tis my point, she's unworthy of Gant so she'd be lucky to get even a glance from him.
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And if Iris happens to be there, she'll get totally ganted.
Hey, at least she would be less boring for 5 minutes.
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I loathe any and all Gant or Armstrong pairings.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
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And I still don't understand what she did to insult the AA community so
The majority of the P/I fans will say that everyone hates her because she is Nick's only "canon" pairing. But they only say that because they can't accept that everyone who doesn't like her thinks she's a spineless moron
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Johnny Rotan wrote:
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I don't see anything about vowing to hang around Hazakurain there.
I don't see anything about vowing to hang around Hazakurain there.
I believe the credits statement was while he was AT Hazakurain, which was some days [maybe longer] after the trial, and he was giving no sign of moving. Bikini says she 'can't wait for Iris to return to Hazakurain' after her undefined jail term. Anyway, I don't care. But I consider there being more hope of future Larry/Iris than Phoenix/Iris in the minds of the writers.
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Pairings quit being fun here a long time ago. Nobody wants to drop it and make them fun again so it's the "new fun" i guess. I'm sure a lot of people who wanted to join got turned away by the pairing wars.
Beleive me i would like to see it "fun" again more than anyone else. It wasn't like this when i joined a year ago.
Beleive me i would like to see it "fun" again more than anyone else. It wasn't like this when i joined a year ago.
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I can assure you I have nothing against the gay community... but come on, why are so many people into that pairing? They aren't gay... that Armstrong dude is gay, Phoenix and Edgeworth aren't...
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/ It seems a lot of people hate this one, and I do too. The only reason this pairing even exists is all thanks to the twist in 1/4 where you find out they were in the same class, and that whole story with Edgeworth defending Phoenix. This is a perfect setup for a pairing, but as we all know, fangirls won't stop at a simple picture like young Edgeworth comforting Phoenix, or them just holding hands. No. Yaoi fangirls have to go all the way. Oh, you silly, eccentric fangirls. It can be hard to find sane ones. >_>
...Well, that was a bit of a long-winded post for one pairing. Well, I've seen longer. Hm. Uh...OH. The pedophile-pairings I mean what is that. You know what I'm talking about.
/ I mean it's fine if it's just a cute little picture, but...yeah. >_>
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She did nothing. Except create a Phoenix pairing WITHOUT certain characters.
I loathe any and all Gant or Armstrong pairings.
I loathe any and all Gant or Armstrong pairings.
Iris and that relationship is strongly implied to be an irrelevant part of Phoenix's bad pre-Mia past, before Mia rescued him from Dahlia and sent him on positive growth (law school, GS1-3) It's no accident it was a flashback to pre-Mia. Iris is the opposite of Edgeworth and Maya and the same problems which sank Phoenix/Iris in 3-1 are precisely the positive things Phoenix since gained from his relationships with Edgeworth and Maya, regardless of whether you see romance with either or them. [So no wonder Iris isn't very popular.]
Maya and Edgeworth reciprocated Phoenix's belief in them by repeatedly helping him, sacrificing themselves for him and following empty words with genuine actions. Iris did not. Iris betrayed Phoenix where Maya did not and it's the relationship with Maya he can and does believe in in 3-5's trial to finally defeat Dahlia, not Iris. Repeated outside lies and turmoil never sink the Phoenix-Maya partnership, but just one ruined Phoenix-Iris. Before I'm tempted to go off on a Phoenix/Maya tangent, Edgeworth's portrayal in the series also implies Iris is irrelevant to Phoenix's future:
After revelation Edgeworth was 'not a murderer' in 1-4, this triggered the self-imposed metaphoric 'death' and redemption of Edgeworth's actual Demon Prosecutor crimes in JFA, aka deliberately concealing the truth and allowing lies and murderers to prevail, (sound familiar?) which was considered by the writers as required before he was able to be canonly called Phoenix's 'partner' [in law/friendship if we don't ship them.]
A transformation Iris never undergoes during the 5 years since 3-1 or even shows any comprehension of needing by the end, so unlike Edgeworth, she just goes to jail, the 'truth' being considered an extremely important virtue in this series. Arguments we should go easy on her due to poor role models or background [Morgan/von Karma] and love for a close relative [sister/father] weren't good enough excuses to the writers for Edgeworth, so they aren't good enough excuses for Iris either.
In other words, the very reasons we like and admire Phoenix's relationships with Edgeworth and Maya [and Edgeworth and Maya themselves] are the very failings of the Phoenix/Iris relationship and their absence is what destroyed it in the first place. Oh and Phoenix just 'happened' to get those two positive relationships as a direct result of Mia saving him from Dahlia and Iris in 3-1. [Mia effectively 'gave' him Maya the way her self-professed rival Dahlia 'gave' him Iris, and Mia convinces him signing up to law school IS the way to save Edgeworth after he gives up on 'Dollie' in 3-1.] Iris is Dahlia's own Branch Family counterpart to Maya who submits to her evil ghost sister instead of channelling helpful ghost Mia and betrays Phoenix instead of being loyal to him. And she has the flawed lie and crime obscuring past of Edgeworth's Demon Prosecutor days but never is inspired to undergo redemption to overcome her demons [LOL literal] in the way that made Edgeworth a worthy character and partner to Phoenix in the eyes of the writers themselves.
In fact it's as much as implied Phoenix simply does not need Iris, because he has since gained genuine relationships with Maya and Edgeworth now which conspicuously lack the actual failings which ruined their 'relationship' 5 years ago. That's why the happy end portrait has them with Phoenix, and Iris is in jail. It's a tragic tale, but Diego's story was tragic too.
Hmm, this isn't going to be very popular with some people, but I'm just explaining an explanation why many people have strong distaste for this pairing, anyone agree?
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off my "most hated pairing" list. Course it's not topping my / 
@ Herr Blondie - their reason on hating P/I is because their beloved "P/E" is no longer being supported by capcom XD
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@ Herr Blondie - their reason on hating P/I is because their beloved "P/E" is no longer being supported by capcom XD
Capcom has never supported P/E or any other pairings other than Ron/Dessie and to a lesser extent Gumshoe/Maggey (we know he really likes her, and she gets really pissed at him when she feels he's not doing everything he can to help her. Sounds like love to me). Even Mia/Diego is only pseudo canon because Mia never says she was his girlfriend.
There are others reasons people hate Iris. Many people consider her weak and Mary Sueish. The fact that her actions caused several deaths and near deaths probably doesn't help either (If she had told the truth both Doug Swallow and Misty Fey would be alive and Phoenix and Maya woudln't have almost been killed years later. At least that's how I look at it, others could disagree.) I don't consider Phoenix and Iris to ever have dated canonly because Phoenix didn't know he was dating her in the first place. He was dating Dahlia Hawthorne even if it was in name only.
There are many points in the games where you can interpret what character's say to imply a pairing. Sometimes the same sets of dialogue or actions can cross multiple pairings depending on how you choose to look at it. I now 2-4 and Maya's rescue is a big example of that because it can imply the P/E, P/M, and M/M all at once if you choose to look at it in any of those ways.
I personally don't have too many pairings I actually hate because I like to give stuff a chance. A very good fic can convert people to liking something.
The only pairings that really creep me out and I would not want to read or look at pics for are anything involving Pearl or any other really young character.
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I don't consider Phoenix and Iris to ever have dated canonly because Phoenix didn't know he was dating her in the first place. He was dating Dahlia Hawthorne even if it was in name only.
This is exactly why I laugh when people say P/I is canon XD
Do people ship
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??? Because when Nick accuses them of being lovers it grossed me out XD
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, but it was changed to P/I because everybody (except a few) agreed it should. And comes right out and says to Mia Diego was her boyfriend. P/E and P/M have had NO proof of being canon in the slightest. Except for what is implied by some small phrases.Remember there's P/I fans who don't support other peoples views. And if they disagree with them they can say something (same with other pairings). One thing we all can agree on is none of our Phoenix pairings will ever be solidly canon because Capcom will never do it.
It looks like the least fav' pairings thread has also become the debate thread now. Nobody wants to mess with bumping it i guess. Anyway..
P/E SUCKS. There that feels better.
I somewhat ship
/ . Because it's funny (and i don't like either character).
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Klema.
I'm sorry but I don't see Klema ever happening. IMO Kristoph X Dahlia is random and Phoenworth is just... no IMO.
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The other pairing i see entirely too much of. All it is is another case of DURR LET'S PAIR UP THE DEFENSE AND PROSECUTION TEE HEE :B
I mean i know there's that one line that Klavier says about 'not feeling this way with a man before' and all that, but come ooooonnnnn. It's still not canon, so like P/E, people need to stop claiming it is. I don't think Klavier would be able to have a girlfriend or boyfriend of any kind unless they were as famous and rich and whorish as he is.
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Shippings don't even have to be "a little bit canon".
And Rotan if you're gonna say stuff like you wish pairing was still fun, stop taking it so seriously.
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Johnny Rotan wrote:
People can come up with explanations all they want, but P/I, and D/M are canon (not as canon as Ron / Dessie, or Plum / Winfred but still..). Just because he thought it was Dahlia doesn't make a diffrence.
Your sig claims Lawyer!Phoenix/Iris is 'canon'
Phoenix/Poison bottle fantasy. That's canon. Since he refused to give the bottle back to Iris no matter how much she begged, he obviously cared more about it than her.
back on topic.
Oh, have I mentioned I hate Phoenix/Thalassa *vomits* Phoenix/Iris looks beautiful by comparison. And I don't support Klavier/Ema, Ema genuinely hates him and they seem to have irreconcilable values. Though I think that's supposed to be in the GS4 pairings thread. PW pairing let's see... I don't like Godot/Maya. Not only is he too old, but he'd probably only want her to channel Mia, or, failing that, only because she somehow reminded him of Mia, a second-best option.
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I was never happy with that decision for that contest to change to that pairing. Just goes to show you that vocal fans can get what ever they want. It's not like those contests are official or Capcom sanctioned.
At best you could argue that P/I is canon in the past, but many fans don't see it that way.
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/anything:armstrong: /anything
/anything /anything (He's gross...just like his name)
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/and his wifeThere was another one I really hated, but I can't think of it right now
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Johnny Rotan wrote:
P/E SUCKS.
Yep, P/E sure does suck, though I don't think in the matter you implied Johnny, lol
(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist
)Anyway, more pairings I don't like!
Redd/Mia...No, just, no freaking jerkass Redd does not deserve someone like Mia grrrrr
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Johnny Rotan wrote:
P/E SUCKS.
Yep, P/E sure does suck, though I don't think in the matter you implied Johnny, lol
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/ I think I just died a little inside. Sorry, but I can't even imagine this scenario, much less like it *shivers*I read this fic about them once, he was *ahem* spanking her for being naughty and she was.... getting turned on by it D=
I liked it even though it was wrong
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/ I think I just died a little inside. Sorry, but I can't even imagine this scenario, much less like it *shivers*
I read this fic about them once, he was *ahem* spanking her for being naughty and she was.... getting turned on by it D=
I liked it even though it was wrong XD
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/ I think I just died a little inside. Sorry, but I can't even imagine this scenario, much less like it *shivers*I read this fic about them once, he was *ahem* spanking her for being naughty and she was.... getting turned on by it D=
I liked it even though it was wrong
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loobywright wrote:
Reemokisu wrote:
/ I think I just died a little inside. Sorry, but I can't even imagine this scenario, much less like it *shivers*I read this fic about them once, he was *ahem* spanking her for being naughty and she was.... getting turned on by it D=
I liked it even though it was wrong
XDdon't you just loooove the kink meme? :3
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Miyako Chinatsu wrote:
My least favorite pairings would be:
/ : I just hate this pairing.
/ And this one too.
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Right, more pairing hate.
/anything
/anything...
how can you hate something that barely exists :/ the only one who does anything involving dear Richie is me.
I will however throw the most disgusting pairing idea I think I've ever seen out there for the world to see.
Saw it on the kink meme, thank god no one ever did it.
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D8 it's so horrifying.
And I know canon doesn't matter much, but it makes me angry when people say OMG THIS PAIRING HAPPENED
i mean, yeah I have my theory about
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but I dont claim that it actually happened. People who do that are retarded and need to be fed to lions :CBecause I HAVE seen people do that with Phoenworth and Klavipollo, so just because you say you haven't seen people do it doesn't mean that people like that aren't out there.
I should just go around screaming OMG WELLINGTON/GREY HAPPENED IN CANON ANYONE WHO DOESNT SEE IT IS A RETARD :C and watch the hypocrisy roll in.
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Oh, have I mentioned I hate Phoenix/Thalassa *vomits* Phoenix/Iris looks beautiful by comparison
.....What more can I say, thats your opinion.
Though you claim in your previous explanation that because of the failure of Phoenix/Iris as a pairing, the community appreciated P/E + P/M much more but surely those fans existed well before T+T I wouldn't put ALL the blame on Iris.
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Ick.
Oh, and Thalassa/Phoenix.
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people who kep bullying me
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/ Those Actually have the same reason:
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VeryHappyTaffy wrote:
: /and his wife
/and his wifeGood point *shudders*
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Yeah, I don't like this idea either, and there seems to be nothing canon to support it.
Oh and Oos, your Richard Wellington obsession opened my mind to how somebody actually liked the character, so I was less judgmental when I replayed 2-1 and he wasn't as bad as I thought.
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The other pairing i see entirely too much of. All it is is another case of DURR LET'S PAIR UP THE DEFENSE AND PROSECUTION TEE HEE :B
I mean i know there's that one line that Klavier says about 'not feeling this way with a man before' and all that, but come ooooonnnnn. It's still not canon, so like P/E, people need to stop claiming it is. I don't think Klavier would be able to have a girlfriend or boyfriend of any kind unless they were as famous and rich and whorish as he is.
The other pairing i see entirely too much of. All it is is another case of DURR LET'S PAIR UP THE DEFENSE AND PROSECUTION TEE HEE :B
I mean i know there's that one line that Klavier says about 'not feeling this way with a man before' and all that, but come ooooonnnnn. It's still not canon, so like P/E, people need to stop claiming it is. I don't think Klavier would be able to have a girlfriend or boyfriend of any kind unless they were as famous and rich and whorish as he is.
And I agree with most of this. except I'll say that P/E has plenty of canon basis, but this has, what one line which could be differently interpreted?
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:hobohodo: / I think I just died a little inside. Sorry, but I can't even imagine this scenario, much less like it *shivers*
I think I just died a little inside. Sorry, but I can't even imagine this scenario, much less like it *shivers*Yeah, I don't think Phoenix would be so exploitative. I saw fic of it after she turned 18, but it's still exploiting the adoptive father role thing. I assume people enjoy it because it's 'wrong', but it's OOC for Phoenix.
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I rather dislike. By all means I love Miego, but Godot/DeadMia is just...creepy.*shudders*
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