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All the same, 1:45-2:45 may seem early but remember it's not like he's got a busy day.
I've worked that time and everyone I know who does at my job isn't sleeping the entire day away, normally a long lie fixes us up, it has too since most of us have our education to attend.
And it's on topic because it shows he's not going out of his way for Maya, he has time on his hands and for all he indicates in GS4. It doesn't indicate anything special for Maya that he watches it. Besides with all the new brands of samurai perhaps he likes one of the new ones. The 'reports' if they are that detailed as you seem to think are only an addition to excess free time. Since he doesn't have all the paperwork lawyers do anymore he gotta have some kind of hobby.
Also I wasn't debating the use of the word reports, I was debating what he meant by it. Whether it's simply a review of the latest episode that he sends to Maya so they can discuss it is what I'm thinking. Have you never loaned or borrowed something and had someone report back to you what they thought of it?
And Phoenix indicates no great dislike, if anything the fact he actually watches the episodes Maya sends him indicates he likes the Samurai series now.
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What's that supposed to mean? Phoenix and Maya still have a strong relationship in GS4 negating any kind of ideas they never saw or contacted each other again or fell out or whatever, apparently this being important enough to Takumi to include evidence of, so shipping them GS4-era is perfectly viable. This whole argument is over one little scene and its deconstruction. If you wanted to argue over the GS4-era Phoenix/Maya viability generally, we take evidence and extrapolation from other areas, not base it solely on one little Easter Egg scene. But no, I'm NOT doing that now.
Sorry let me clarify...might take some backtracking. There is nothing indicating a romantic relationship. Ok Takumi insisted she was in it but she could be a fan favourite for reasons OTHER than folk shipping her or she could be a personal favourite of Takumi. It's not like the reference was included because in someone's opinion they are a couple. Therefore when the easter egg is mentioned Phoenix and Maya are still canonically friends. Now the easter egg seems completely neutral with no overly affectionate terms to imply there is anything more. Therefore currently they are neutral.
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And it doesn't mean he doesn't either, which is what you (I think it was you) were trying to claim.
Regarding him watching these videos. Now an absolutely neutral thing like this true doesn't disprove that theres romantic feelings between Phoenix and Maya. But you were arguing it as if this neutral act somehow proved romantic feelings by not DISPROVING those supposed feelings.
Can you see why your argument bothers me now?
A neutral statement proving nothing does not by default prove a romantic relationship!
The burden of proof lies with those trying to prove the relationship so you'll need to provide something a little more to convince me these videos have some romantic meaning between Phoenix and Maya.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
he has time on his hands and for all he indicates in GS4.
Phoenix:
Besides, the episodes will
just keep piling up if I don't
keep up, you know?
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Um... yeah.
(Try not buying them.)
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Now's the only time I get to
watch and write up my reports.
And he's always off on his 'secret mission' too aka busy. Even Charley turns brown since he's not there to water him. Oooh.
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Also I wasn't debating the use of the word reports, I was debating what he meant by it. Whether it's simply a review of the latest episode that he sends to Maya so they can discuss it is what I'm thinking. Have you never loaned or borrowed something and had someone report back to you what they thought of it?
Hundreds of DVDs? No way. I've wasted time on boring recreational activities and websites I'm only neutral to in order to maintain relationships with people [always male
] who were besotted with said topic/activity, but I wouldn't dream of doing anything on that kind of scale. Maybe one DVD? Not unless I was totally obsessed with the other person...Quote:
And Phoenix indicates no great dislike, if anything the fact he actually watches the episodes Maya sends him indicates he likes the Samurai series now.
If so, he just has more in common with her now then. Maya finally converted him! Also meaning he now likes kiddie shows too! Making your argument even more worthless.
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There is nothing indicating a romantic relationship. Ok Takumi insisted she was in it but she could be a fan favourite for reasons OTHER than folk shipping her or she could be a personal favourite of Takumi. It's not like the reference was included because in someone's opinion they are a couple.
Nobody ever claims the easter Egg scene is 'proof' of a specifically 'romantic' relationship. It is proof of a continued strong relationship between Phoenix and Maya, which means pairing potential (current or future) is still viable, more viable than if there was no proof the relationship with Maya still existed (which is what happened with Iris and, stupidly enough, Edgeworth. That doesn't make the pairings impossible, but there's no canonical support to suggest Phoenix ever sees or has a relationship with them any more.)
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Therefore when the easter egg is mentioned Phoenix and Maya are still canonically friends. Now the easter egg seems completely neutral with no overly affectionate terms to imply there is anything more. Therefore currently they are neutral.
No they aren't. They could be neutral, it could be romantic. Phoenix doesn't divulge his status with Maya. Maya was an unreturned character, so it's not considered information Apollo is party to, or much else either. And we're playing as Apollo at that point. Apollo isn't party to even his own familial revelations either. And whenever Phoenix is offscreen, he goes off into Black Box Magic Hobo Mentor Land. Apollo is not permitted to know anything about this time away or the rest of Phoenix's private life (which clearly includes contact with Maya). Even the MASON System [where we play 'as Phoenix'] is obviously some weird distortion of actual reality, not literal (time travel?) and nobody ever says Apollo sees the MASON System, that's only to the player.
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Can you see why your argument bothers me now?
A neutral statement proving nothing does not by default prove a romantic relationship!
A neutral statement proving nothing does not by default prove a romantic relationship!
Good, because I never made that argument, and I don't know why you interpreted I did.
I'll repeat myself:
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This whole argument is over one little scene and its deconstruction. If you wanted to argue over the GS4-era Phoenix/Maya viability generally, we take evidence and extrapolation from other areas, not base it solely on one little Easter Egg scene. But no, I'm NOT doing that now.
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And he's always off on his 'secret mission' too aka busy. Even Charley turns brown since he's not there to water him. Oooh.
He TURNS brown, the secret missions are only while AJ's events are going on, before that and in general he's got time on his hands.
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Hundreds of DVDs? No way. I've wasted time on boring recreational activities and websites I'm only neutral to in order to maintain relationships with people [always male ] who were besotted with said topic/activity, but I wouldn't dream of doing anything on that kind of scale. Maybe one DVD? Not unless I was totally obsessed with the other person...
] who were besotted with said topic/activity, but I wouldn't dream of doing anything on that kind of scale. Maybe one DVD? Not unless I was totally obsessed with the other person...If he were interested he would go out of his way to do it. Yet he hasn't spent a penny on DVD's for all we know, since Maya is the one who keeps sending them to him. Besides these aren't all the same series, there's loads of samurai and pink princess series that she can send to him for him to watch. One DVD isn't much in a whole series I wouldn't consider it overly obsessive.
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If so, he just has more in common with her now then. Maya finally converted him! Also meaning he now likes kiddie shows too! Making your argument even more worthless.
Why is my argument worthless? I'm trying to indicate they are friends who now share a fandom, sure she's converted him and they've got more in common but that doesn't mean they are going out. I'm meaning that if they share the fandom, there is less of a problem with him watching so many DVD's you see?
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No they aren't. They could be neutral, it could be romantic. Phoenix doesn't divulge his status with Maya. Maya was an unreturned character, so it's not considered information Apollo is party to, or much else either. And we're playing as Apollo at that point. Apollo isn't party to even his own familial revelations either. And whenever Phoenix is offscreen, he goes off into Black Box Magic Hobo Mentor Land. Apollo is not permitted to know anything about this time away or the rest of Phoenix's private life (which clearly includes contact with Maya). Even the MASON System [where we play 'as Phoenix'] is obviously some weird distortion of actual reality, not literal (time travel?) and nobody ever says Apollo sees the MASON System, that's only to the player.
Hmmmph deep breaths Pierre
Ok....so is there anything that indicates a romantic interest in the simple statement "Some kid keeps sending me them". I can't see anything so I think it's a neutral statement. Since there is no canon evidence to blatantly indicate a romantic relationship elsewhere in Apollo Justice. If the writers had intended us to think that there was something between Maya and Phoenix, they would've put an effort to make it known through either Apollo's point of view, or the Phoenix-portion of 4-4. It could NOT be romantic as there is NO romantic indications in Apollo Justice.
A new player to the series picks up Apollo Justice and sees the Easter Egg does not instantly assume "Hey I bet theres something up between him and this 'kid'" though naturally they'd be a bit confused by the easter egg completely still they wouldn't get any sort of romantic hint from the statement.
If there is to be romance then there needs to be an EFFORT on the side of romance.
A completely neutral statement indicates friendship or neutrality (given their past history I'd bet on friendship) but it's nothing romantic.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Don't rush this on till we've finished!
Arguments with you never seem to finish. Until the topic gets locked or removed.
No offense intended... and I think this has run its course. It's not debating the actual pairing at all.
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He TURNS brown, the secret missions are only while AJ's events are going on, before that and in general he's got time on his hands.
You know, right? We see Phoenix's life before 4-1? We see Phoenix's life at all when he's off-screen? Regardless, this is irrelevant to the topic which is, um pairing debates, not 'let's argue every stupid point over an Easter Egg scene and every speculation we attach to Phoenix's imaginary hobo life pre 4-1'. This whole argument in general is off-topic.
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One DVD isn't much in a whole series I wouldn't consider it overly obsessive.
I said I would probably only watch one DVD to write reports for my romantic interest unless I was really obsessed with him. Not hundreds. And I wouldn't bother at all if I wasn't romantically interested. (People you are 'just friends' with you're content to stick to your mutual interests and commonalities...) Phoenix himself clearly watches hundreds of them.
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Why is my argument worthless? I'm trying to indicate they are friends who now share a fandom, sure she's converted him and they've got more in common but that doesn't mean they are going out. I'm meaning that if they share the fandom, there is less of a problem with him watching so many DVD's you see?
But theres' nothing at all to indicate that their 'relationship' is merely or at all 'we share a fandom'
-it contradicts the entire of GS1-3, where Phoenix isn't really impressed with Steel Samurai
-going to Samurai movies and watching the TV show with Maya during GS1-3 is hardly the basis of their relationship
-No, Phoenix and Maya did NOT meet at a Steel Samurai convention.
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If the writers had intended us to think that there was something between Maya and Phoenix, they would've put an effort to make it known through either Apollo's point of view, or the Phoenix-portion of 4-4. It could NOT be romantic as there is NO romantic indications in Apollo Justice.
Why? It's of no use to Apollo's plot to know that Phoenix has a relationship at all with his ex-assistant. [The fact that a strong relationship is confirmed despite being irrelevant to the Apollo plot reaffirms Takumi thinks the Phoenix-Maya relationship is important. And 'relationship' is ambiguous.] Apollo's never meeting Maya and she is 'unreturned' so neither is the [new] player so it's irrelevant.
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A new player to the series picks up Apollo Justice and sees the Easter Egg does not instantly assume "Hey I bet theres something up between him and this 'kid'" though naturally they'd be a bit confused by the easter egg completely still they wouldn't get any sort of romantic hint from the statement.
A new player is supposed to be blissfully oblivious to the Easter Egg. That's WHY they don't ever mention the unreturned chars names or anything directly, isn't it, so they don't 'get confused' or some such stupidity.
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A completely neutral statement indicates friendship or neutrality (given their past history I'd bet on friendship) but it's nothing romantic.
A neutral statement on the back of other evidence indicates ambiguity, not disproof.
For example, nothing in GS3 confirmed Gumshoe and Maggey got together (well, maybe GK does but I haven't spoiled that). If, say, there was a vague reference to them doing something together in GS4 but it never framed it specifically romantically, is that 'proof' that they never hit it off romantically or broke up? Of course not. It's ambiguous. [And don't get the wrong idea this is a Gumshoe/Maggey argument rather than a hypothetical illustrative example]
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Nobody ever claims the easter Egg scene is 'proof' of a specifically 'romantic' relationship. It is proof of a continued strong relationship between Phoenix and Maya, which means pairing potential (current or future) is still viable, more viable than if there was no proof the relationship with Maya still existed (which is what happened with Iris and, stupidly enough, Edgeworth. That doesn't make the pairings impossible, but there's no canonical support to suggest Phoenix ever sees or has a relationship with them any more.)
No they aren't. They could be neutral, it could be romantic. Phoenix doesn't divulge his status with Maya. Maya was an unreturned character, so it's not considered information Apollo is party to, or much else either. And we're playing as Apollo at that point. Apollo isn't party to even his own familial revelations either.
This whole argument is over one little scene and its deconstruction. If you wanted to argue over the GS4-era Phoenix/Maya viability generally, we take evidence and extrapolation from other areas, not base it solely on one little Easter Egg scene. But no, I'm NOT doing that now.
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Therefore currently they are neutral.
No they aren't. They could be neutral, it could be romantic. Phoenix doesn't divulge his status with Maya. Maya was an unreturned character, so it's not considered information Apollo is party to, or much else either. And we're playing as Apollo at that point. Apollo isn't party to even his own familial revelations either.
This whole argument is over one little scene and its deconstruction. If you wanted to argue over the GS4-era Phoenix/Maya viability generally, we take evidence and extrapolation from other areas, not base it solely on one little Easter Egg scene. But no, I'm NOT doing that now.
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I said I would probably only watch one DVD to write reports for my romantic interest unless I was really obsessed with him. Not hundreds. And I wouldn't bother at all if I wasn't romantically interested. (People you are 'just friends' with you're content to stick to your mutual interests and commonalities...) Phoenix himself clearly watches hundreds of them.
If....as I think it is, he likes the Samurai series then suddenly him watching the DVD's is not something he does FOR Maya it's something he does for his own benefit anyway.
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But theres' nothing at all to indicate that their 'relationship' is merely or at all 'we share a fandom'
-it contradicts the entire of GS1-3, where Phoenix isn't really impressed with Steel Samurai
-going to Samurai movies and watching the TV show with Maya during GS1-3 is hardly the basis of their relationship
-No, Phoenix and Maya did NOT meet at a Steel Samurai convention.
-it contradicts the entire of GS1-3, where Phoenix isn't really impressed with Steel Samurai
-going to Samurai movies and watching the TV show with Maya during GS1-3 is hardly the basis of their relationship
-No, Phoenix and Maya did NOT meet at a Steel Samurai convention.
It's nothing so contradictory, it just implies a change of character something which we know for sure Phoenix has had. Besides the DVD's Maya sends him cover more than the Steel Samurai it's highly possible he took a liking to one of the versions if you don't wanna assume the series grew on him.
And....there's evidence to imply that Phoenix DID INDEED enjoy the Steel Samurai then. After all....thats his ringtone ya?
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Why? It's of no use to Apollo's plot to know that Phoenix has a relationship at all with his ex-assistant. [The fact that a strong relationship is confirmed despite being irrelevant to the Apollo plot reaffirms Takumi thinks the Phoenix-Maya relationship is important. And 'relationship' is ambiguous.] Apollo's never meeting Maya and she is 'unreturned' so neither is the [new] player so it's irrelevant.
Oh sure it's of no use to APOLLO's plot but they'd understand that a good deal of the fandom would follow it too and if they saw it fit to include Maya as a reference (albeit a neutral reference) then they could include some kind of romantic notion to update the fans if they ever intended on making PhoenixXMaya canon.
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A neutral statement on the back of other evidence indicates ambiguity, not disproof.
For example, nothing in GS3 confirmed Gumshoe and Maggey got together (well, maybe GK does but I haven't spoiled that). If, say, there was a vague reference to them doing something together in GS4 but it never framed it specifically romantically, is that 'proof' that they never hit it off romantically or broke up? Of course not. It's ambiguous. [And don't get the wrong idea this is a Gumshoe/Maggey argument rather than a hypothetical illustrative example]
For example, nothing in GS3 confirmed Gumshoe and Maggey got together (well, maybe GK does but I haven't spoiled that). If, say, there was a vague reference to them doing something together in GS4 but it never framed it specifically romantically, is that 'proof' that they never hit it off romantically or broke up? Of course not. It's ambiguous. [And don't get the wrong idea this is a Gumshoe/Maggey argument rather than a hypothetical illustrative example]
For the record: I don't believe PhoenixXMaya has any basis, all the evidence to me indicates an incredibly strong bond of trust and friendship so nothing romantic. So there is no evidence implying romantic actions in my eyes between those two. However your Gumshoe example is completely correct but since I don't believe the evidence in GS1-3 indicates a romance so your ploy doesn't work here. You can't rely on sketchy evidence from GS1-3 it's not solid enough to directly indicate anything unlike Gumshoe's obvious crush of Maggey in 3-3 which is furthermore confirmed in GK apparently though I didn't know that.
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So yeah, feel free to discuss Phoenix/ Maya, but all this scene does is imply that the two are still in contact and are presumably still good friends. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Rough translation:
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Takumi: I wanted it to be an entirely new story, but [Capcom] insisted we include at least Phoenix. [snip] But there is one scene where Maya is mentioned.
Interviewer: Oh! Where?
Takumi: Check the DVDs in case 2.
Interviewer: I had no idea! [blah blah]
Takumi: We don't have anything decided about what Edgeworth and Maya are doing in the GS4 world, do we?
Matsukawa: I don't think Takumi really thought about anything outside the main storyline.
Takumi: I didn't want to make decisions on that. We didn't decide on anything not shown in Odoroki's story. We felt that it would limit the imagintion of the players if we did so.
Interviewer: Oh! Where?
Takumi: Check the DVDs in case 2.
Interviewer: I had no idea! [blah blah]
Takumi: We don't have anything decided about what Edgeworth and Maya are doing in the GS4 world, do we?
Matsukawa: I don't think Takumi really thought about anything outside the main storyline.
Takumi: I didn't want to make decisions on that. We didn't decide on anything not shown in Odoroki's story. We felt that it would limit the imagintion of the players if we did so.
Nuri then remarks that as a character designer he would have liked to have those details decided on. Takumi admits that he was once asked about the characters' birthday, and had to say that they never decided on those things either. Having seen Takumi's other interviews I'm not surprised! He's much more a game designer than a world builder, that's for sure.
I don't remember when this interview was run (actually I think this is the first time I've seriously read it XD;;) but at least it proves that you can't read too far into their easter eggs.
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I don't remember when this interview was run (actually I think this is the first time I've seriously read it XD;;) but at least it proves that you can't read too far into their easter eggs.
All I needed to hear, you can't look at the easter egg and get pro Phoenix and Maya from it.
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So yeah, feel free to discuss Phoenix/ Maya, but all this scene does is imply that the two are still in contact and are presumably still good friends. Nothing more, nothing less.
My conclusion roughly
But yadda yadda if you guys insist I stop I guess I better....
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All I needed to hear, you can't look at the easter egg and get pro Phoenix and Maya from it.
I think you could still interpret it that way if you so wished. Everything about these debates are interpretation, since they're not canon. I just wanted to end the theory that Takumi had to fight Capcom to get a mention of Maya in the game, because she is just that important to Phoenix etc. Unless there's another interview I can't recall, the only pressure Capcom put on Takumi was to include Phoenix.
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Takumi: I wanted it to be an entirely new story, but [Capcom] insisted we include at least Phoenix. [snip] But there is one scene where Maya is mentioned.
Finally an actual translation! Thank you!
(haha meaning we can't read much into the other Easter Eggs either and their questionable continuity with GS3 *shot* 'GS4 world' )
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All I needed to hear, you can't look at the easter egg and get pro Phoenix and Maya from it.
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Takumi: We don't have anything decided about what Edgeworth and Maya are doing in the GS4 world, do we?
Takumi: I didn't want to make decisions on that. We didn't decide on anything not shown in Odoroki's story. We felt that it would limit the imagination of the players if we did so.
Takumi: I didn't want to make decisions on that. We didn't decide on anything not shown in Odoroki's story. We felt that it would limit the imagination of the players if we did so.
That means the scene is open to interpretation, (including possible Phoenix/Maya) not 'proof' they are 'just friends' and he sees Maya as 'only a 'kid''.
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Croik wrote:
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All I needed to hear, you can't look at the easter egg and get pro Phoenix and Maya from it.
I think you could still interpret it that way if you so wished. Everything about these debates are interpretation, since they're not canon. I just wanted to end the theory that Takumi had to fight Capcom to get a mention of Maya in the game, because she is just that important to Phoenix etc. Unless there's another interview I can't recall, the only pressure Capcom put on Takumi was to include Phoenix.
Anything can be interpreted anyway if you want it enough.
I just wish I could get a glimpse at pro-MayaxPhoenix supporter's minds and see their interpretation of it.
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I just wish I could get a glimpse at pro-MayaxPhoenix supporter's minds and see their interpretation of it.What do you mean!? I belive Icer just explained her interpretation thoroughly!
If you guys want to go on debating P/M that is fine, but let's move away from the DVD issue.
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Croik wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
I just wish I could get a glimpse at pro-MayaxPhoenix supporter's minds and see their interpretation of it.What do you mean!? I belive Icer just explained her interpretation thoroughly!
If you guys want to go on debating P/M that is fine, but let's move away from the DVD issue.
Yar but it boggles my mind, she says that the fact the relationship is still ongoing in GS4 is reason enough for shipping in GS4 whereas to me it's just a sign they stay in touch as friends.
I can't wrap my mind around her logic
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I just wish I could get a glimpse at pro-MayaxPhoenix supporter's minds and see their interpretation of it.You really want to read my fanfic, do you, Herr Blondie?
Actually, it's usually just a kind of footnote in any good Phoenix/Maya fic, added for consistency. We regard the DVD scene as a tip of the iceberg evidence thing, not their sole relationship now or the sole reason to ship them. Quote:
Yar but it boggles my mind, she says that the fact the relationship is still ongoing in GS4 is reason enough for shipping in GS4 whereas to me it's just a sign they stay in touch as friends.
I can't wrap my mind around her logic
I can't wrap my mind around her logic
P/M Shippers' Logic: Based on Phoenix and Maya's canonical partnership in games 1-3 and additional evidence, we believe there's a strong viability/possibility of Phoenix/Maya romance after 3-5. (Right after, years after, who knows, who cares, we ship them) and since we like this idea, we choose to believe it happened.
-> Therefore, evidence in GS4 that confirms Phoenix and Maya still have a strong relationship, means that the 'pairing theory' is still just as viable as it was after GS3, because they clearly still have a canonical strong relationship, rather than Maya 'disappearing' and the relationship maybe dissolving. (Phoenix still has the Magatama too. Maya would want it back if they fell out.). There's nothing to suggest it isn't romantic in nature, and even if it isn't at the present time, it still can be in future, can't it. Phoenix clearing his name finally would change a few things in his life and priorities... maybe romance or a more permanent relationship with Maya would be one of them
And the reason this scene supports the pairing, is that this relationship [aka, the canonical Phoenix-Maya relationship we see out of the original 3 games] is confirmed to still exist. Whereas, say, there's no evidence that Phoenix has any kind of relationship with Iris by GS4 or ever saw her again after 3-5. The pairing isn't impossible, but there's nothing canonical to support that Phoenix and Iris even see each other in GS4 (or that Iris exists in Takumi's imagination and GS4 game world, while Maya supposedly does, or rather her 'some kind of relationship to Phoenix' does.)
Herr Blondie's apparent logic: Since I don't like the idea of Phoenix/Maya from the relationship and what else we see in games 1-3, I imagine it didn't happen after 3-5 (since a future 'romantic' partner for Phoenix is optional out of GS3: his two canonical partners, Maya and Edgeworth, can be interpreted platonically.). Because of this, I extrapolate to: It's IMPOSSIBLE for it to happen.
-> And so obviously a scene where Phoenix and Maya are evidenced to still have a relationship, I think they are only friends. I somehow extrapolate this to be 'It's IMPOSSIBLE that they could be more than friends'.
And I mean, with Takumi's comment there, (it's simply undecided where Maya is or what she's doing, left to our imagination) we don't even have to assume Maya's in Kurain. She could live in the city near Phoenix. She could live with Phoenix for all we know. We never go to his house.
[I mean, why's he keeping that old law office for his near-worthless 'talent agency' for 7 years? It's rented, and was a very unnecessary expense for Hobo. Bet Maya had some kind of stake in the law firm. Maybe she pays the rent as refund for some of those burgers/ramen]Anyway, I don't have time to debate Phoenix/Maya with Herr Blondie, so can we please let this topic die. Right, controversial pairings...
Apollo/Vera
Klavier/Ema
Lana/Mia
Phoenix/Kristoph
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Actually, Edgeworth/Lana. I just don't get that one. Is there any basis beyond being his boss?
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As for Edgeworth/Lana, I've only seen a small amount of shipping in their favor, so I'm not sure if there's anyone here prepared to go to bat for them. Personally I don't ship it, but I can see the appeal: they're both intelligent people, both have relatively calm demeanors, both have a background in law but also had to overcome personal demons to get to where they are post 1-5... Lana seems high class enough that they would have similar tastes in music, movies, etc. And you know she'd have Ema's blessing! (Assuming she doesn't get jealous!) Other than the fact that Lana used Edgeworth in the Darke case and may harbor some guilt because of it, I don't see any obvious reasons why they *wouldn't* work. Not that Edgeworth is the kind of person to hold a grudge over that...
But there are other women I like with Edgeworth better than Lana. And some men I like even better than those.
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Intellectually attracted, as Lana would say.
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I think I said somewhere that it would be a pretty awesome pairing...
They both hate criminals and stuff like that so maybe it kinda works?.....
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Yaragorm wrote:
They both hate criminals and stuff like that so maybe it kinda works?.....
If that's all your basing it on, then you must think Phoenix/Edgey works too 8D
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loobywright wrote:
Yaragorm wrote:
They both hate criminals and stuff like that so maybe it kinda works?.....
If that's all your basing it on, then Phoenix/Edgey works too 8D
Um...................I guess you're right, but I still won't support it........
Why do I always lose in debates?
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But there are other women I like with Edgeworth better than Lana. And some men I like even better than those.
I like the way you think, Croik.
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But there are other women I like with Edgeworth better than Lana. And some men I like even better than those.
I like the way you think, Croik.
Agreed.
I'm sure we'll have much more to debate when AAI comes out next year. Lot's of shipping potential in that game.
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Lunaria42 wrote:
I'm sure we'll have much more to debate when AAI comes out next year. Lot's of shipping potential in that game.
Ooh definitely! Edgeworth is already fandom manwhore, but when that puppy launches...
Silliness aside, I think in general Edgeworth lends himself to pairings incredibly well. Not only is he one of the series' most developed characters, he has a lot of different sides that can be interpreted many ways. We've seen him confident, jerky, classy, sensitive, brooding, demanding, flabbergasted--it's hard to imagine a character he would have zero chemistry with.
Except maybe Oldbag.
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Yaragorm wrote:
loobywright wrote:
Yaragorm wrote:
They both hate criminals and stuff like that so maybe it kinda works?.....
If that's all your basing it on, then Phoenix/Edgey works too 8D
Um...................I guess you're right, but I still won't support it........
Why do I always lose in debates?
You've not lost it, could simply say Edgeworth is straight.
After all with that theory a whole load of the Police Force could be paired with each other, Mannfred could be paired with Phoenix.
When two men hate criminals and are in a law profession and are straight it makes them colleagues not smex partners
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Croik wrote:
Except maybe Oldbag.
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Croik wrote:
it's hard to imagine a character he would have zero chemistry with.
Except maybe Oldbag.
Except maybe Oldbag.
Actually, Edgeworth's arrogant side could pair with Oldbag's obsessiveness and they both enjoy the Steel Samurai. Hah.
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Croik wrote:
it's hard to imagine a character he would have zero chemistry with.
I find it hard to imagine him with Apollo..............
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Seriously though, Edgeworth tries to stay as far away from Oldbag as possible. Don't you think that might be a problem with their relationship?
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Yaragorm wrote:
Croik wrote:
it's hard to imagine a character he would have zero chemistry with.
I find it hard to imagine him with Apollo..............
I don't like Wright, he is my rival.
I don't like Mr. Wright, he made me look like an idiot in my own game. ... ... ... ...
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Edgeworth dreams about Oldbag at night. Well, has nightmares about her, but, same difference, right?
Seriously though, Edgeworth tries to stay as far away from Oldbag as possible. Don't you think that might be a problem with their relationship?
Seriously though, Edgeworth tries to stay as far away from Oldbag as possible. Don't you think that might be a problem with their relationship?
He's just playing hard-to-get. I mean, everyone knows Edgeworth's a tsundere. :o dokidoki
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I don't like Wright, he is my rival. I don't like Mr. Wright, he made me look like an idiot in my own game. ... ... ... ........................dang, you got me....
What about Jean Armstrong or Wesley Stickler?.....I think I got you there?......
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everyone knows Edgeworth's a tsundere.
A what?
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What about Jean Armstrong or Wesley Stickler?.....I think I got you there?......
Excuse me, are you my tutor? I happen to be studing to be a prosecutor. I enjoy using big words. Yes I am. You wear pink and frills. You must be gay.
So do you, monsier. Ah touche. What is on the menu my good sir?Let us end this silly charade.
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Yaragorm wrote:
neoswordmaster wrote:
I don't like Wright, he is my rival. I don't like Mr. Wright, he made me look like an idiot in my own game. ... ... ... ........................dang, you got me....
What about Jean Armstrong or Wesley Stickler?.....I think I got you there?......
Edgeworth: What's that? Your favourite colour is pink? Well I think that's great, Mr. Armstrong.
Edgeworth: Stickler, huh? Well, I remember back when I was in college,I was quite the Stickler myself.
The debate is if Edgeworth has at least some chemistry with somebody, no matter how minimal. So there are a couple of reasons. I think it'd be hard for him to deal with
though.D'aww...Neo beat me too it. Oh well.
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:study: Excuse me, are you my tutor? I happen to be studing to be a prosecutor. I enjoy using big words.
Yes I am.
You wear pink and frills. You must be gay.
So do you, monsier.
Ah touche. What is on the menu my good sir?
Yes I am. You wear pink and frills. You must be gay. So do you, monsier. Ah touche. What is on the menu my good sir?justis76 wrote:
Edgeworth: What's that? Your favourite colour is pink? Well I think that's great, Mr. Armstrong.
Edgeworth: Stickler, huh? Well, I remember back when I was in college,I was quite the Stickler myself.
Edgeworth: Stickler, huh? Well, I remember back when I was in college,I was quite the Stickler myself.
Thanks for mentally scarring my life guys...
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Thanks for mentally scarring my life guys...
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That's it everyone. Edgeworth/Oldbag pairing debate RIGHT NOW.
Actually, Edgeworth's arrogant side could pair with Oldbag's obsessiveness and they both enjoy the Steel Samurai. Hah.
Croik wrote:
it's hard to imagine a character he would have zero chemistry with.
Except maybe Oldbag.
Except maybe Oldbag.
Actually, Edgeworth's arrogant side could pair with Oldbag's obsessiveness and they both enjoy the Steel Samurai. Hah.
Actually, wouldn't Edgeworth's constant fanboying of Will Powers/Steel Samurai get on Oldbag's nerves, since she tends to like the rival in the series? ...Say, maybe that was the solution to his problem all along!
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You wear pink and frills. You must be gay. So do you, monsier. Ah touche. What is on the menu my good sir?Haha, I love that. :D
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Adrian in black wrote:
Femme Fatale wrote:
That's it everyone. Edgeworth/Oldbag pairing debate RIGHT NOW.
Actually, Edgeworth's arrogant side could pair with Oldbag's obsessiveness and they both enjoy the Steel Samurai. Hah.
Croik wrote:
it's hard to imagine a character he would have zero chemistry with.
Except maybe Oldbag.
Except maybe Oldbag.
Actually, Edgeworth's arrogant side could pair with Oldbag's obsessiveness and they both enjoy the Steel Samurai. Hah.
Actually, wouldn't Edgeworth's constant fanboying of Will Powers/Steel Samurai get on Oldbag's nerves, since she tends to like the rival in the series? ...Say, maybe that was the solution to his problem all along!
It's not as though every couple has to like the same thing. It would leave room for many steel samurai-centric discussions between the two. Opposites attract, after all.
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Femme Fatale wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
Femme Fatale wrote:
That's it everyone. Edgeworth/Oldbag pairing debate RIGHT NOW.
Actually, Edgeworth's arrogant side could pair with Oldbag's obsessiveness and they both enjoy the Steel Samurai. Hah.
Actually, Edgeworth's arrogant side could pair with Oldbag's obsessiveness and they both enjoy the Steel Samurai. Hah.
Actually, wouldn't Edgeworth's constant fanboying of Will Powers/Steel Samurai get on Oldbag's nerves, since she tends to like the rival in the series? ...Say, maybe that was the solution to his problem all along!
It's not as though every couple has to like the same thing. It would leave room for many steel samurai-centric discussions between the two. Opposites attract, after all.
I assure you, Oldbag is a very special exception.
I seriously doubt she could keep hercoollongenoughtoengageinaproperdebatewithcertainfansoftheotherseries. Whybackinherday,truefanssawtheworthinvillains! Theyneverwastedtheirtimewithstupidclicheheroes,insteadchoosingtorespectthestrengthandhardshipsoftheevertragicantagonists! Inhereyes,theheroshouldn'tevenbegiventhetimeofday! Whatatragedytthateveryonehatesagoodvillainbutlovesagreatone,butrarelydoyouseeagreatvillain,becauseit'salwaysabouttheherowhofightsforgreatjustice!
It's true that opposites attract, but when there are too many dents in that road, that attraction can end very quickly.
Not that it matters. I seriously doubt Edgeworth would ever reciprocate what Oldbag feels for him, though they could be good acquaintances if she ever learns to how control herself in his presence (but to be fair, as a fellow Edgey fangirl, I can understand the shameless urge to leg-hump whenever he's around).
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Adrian in black wrote:
Femme Fatale wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
Actually, wouldn't Edgeworth's constant fanboying of Will Powers/Steel Samurai get on Oldbag's nerves, since she tends to like the rival in the series? ...Say, maybe that was the solution to his problem all along!
It's not as though every couple has to like the same thing. It would leave room for many steel samurai-centric discussions between the two. Opposites attract, after all.
I assure you, Oldbag is a very special exception.
I seriously doubt she could keep hercoollongenoughtoengageinaproperdebatewithcertainfansoftheotherseries. Whybackinherday,truefanssawtheworthinvillains! Theyneverwastedtheirtimewithstupidclicheheroes,insteadchoosingtorespectthestrengthandhardshipsoftheevertragicantagonists! Inhereyes,theheroshouldn'tevenbegiventhetimeofday! Whatatragedytthateveryonehatesagoodvillainbutlovesagreatone,butrarelydoyouseeagreatvillain,becauseit'salwaysabouttheherowhofightsforgreatjustice!
It's true that opposites attract, but when there are too many dents in that road, that attraction can end very quickly.
Not that it matters. I seriously doubt Edgeworth would ever reciprocate what Oldbag feels for him, though they could be good acquaintances if she ever learns to how control herself in his presence (but to be fair, as a fellow Edgey fangirl, I can understand the shameless urge to leg-hump whenever he's around).
Haha, it's ok, I was just debating this as a joke too. ;P
I just realised the correlation between Oldbag's love of antagonists in the Steel Samurai series and Oldbag's love of the rival in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. :o
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