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I like Turnabout Curtin Call! Thats a good one!
Really? Thanks! I was kind of rushing to get something down when I was working on this as a sprite comic. But I'm kind of a theater nut so that helped with the characters.
I like the plot too. I'm a theatre nut as well, heh.
You're making a sprite comic of these? :o Are they being posted already or no?
You misunderstand, These are a plot for a set of sprite comics I was going to make a while ago. I still keep them in reserve in case my life ever unbusies, but for now they're just ideas. Maybe when I go to college I'll do it.
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Really? Thanks! I was kind of rushing to get something down when I was working on this as a sprite comic. But I'm kind of a theater nut so that helped with the characters.
I like the plot too. I'm a theatre nut as well, heh.
You're making a sprite comic of these? :o Are they being posted already or no?
You misunderstand, These are a plot for a set of sprite comics I was going to make a while ago. I still keep them in reserve in case my life ever unbusies, but for now they're just ideas. Maybe when I go to college I'll do it.
Ah, unfortunate. :( If you end up making it in college then I will be excited to read it. :D
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What if there was a murder on a cruise ship?
Then the victim, defendant and any witnesses/side characters might all be wealthy foreigners, and the ship landed as soon as possible once the murder was discovered.
Hmm... IIRC, Vera did say she wanted to 'see the world' at the end of 4-4. Maybe she was on that cruise ship, and would be a witness/the defendant?
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grim_tales wrote:
Eh? Usually the victim is some random person.
Sorry. I meant a random person from one of the previous games.
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Eh? Usually the victim is some random person.
Sorry. I meant a random person from one of the previous games.
It might result in a very harsh backlash, if that happens... or maybe not. Depending on the character.
And with regards to the cruise ship murder... I think Vera should be a witness. The victim should be a stowaway who wasn't supposed to be on the cruise, making identification a hell lot harder too.
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MinorJinx wrote:
JingoJingle wrote:
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Eh? Usually the victim is some random person.
Sorry. I meant a random person from one of the previous games.
It might result in a very harsh backlash, if that happens... or maybe not. Depending on the character.
And with regards to the cruise ship murder... I think Vera should be a witness. The victim should be a stowaway who wasn't supposed to be on the cruise, making identification a hell lot harder too.
I don't know....maybe if Jean was the victim.
I'd give the killer a big pat on the back.
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I would like to see a case involving the Feys, because lots of people are disappointed at the lack of Maya in AJ.
Thats no good reason, Maya's been kept out of AJ for good reason.
Maybe if GS5 had been called Maya Fey: Mystic Master
THEN it would've been odd she wasn't in it.
But it was Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, I see nothing unusual about the fact Maya isn't in it.
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I would like to see a case involving the Feys, because lots of people are disappointed at the lack of Maya in AJ.
Thats no good reason, Maya's been kept out of AJ for good reason.
Maybe if GS5 had been called Maya Fey: Mystic Master
THEN it would've been odd she wasn't in it.
But it was Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, I see nothing unusual about the fact Maya isn't in it.
Okay, let me get this straight: I'm saying a case with Maya and Pearl would be nice to see.
You're saying that it's not odd that she wasn't in it, therefore she shouldn't be in it.
...No matter how I look at it, you're not making much sense.
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GigaHand wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
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I would like to see a case involving the Feys, because lots of people are disappointed at the lack of Maya in AJ.
Thats no good reason, Maya's been kept out of AJ for good reason.
Maybe if GS5 had been called Maya Fey: Mystic Master
THEN it would've been odd she wasn't in it.
But it was Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, I see nothing unusual about the fact Maya isn't in it.
Okay, let me get this straight: I'm saying a case with Maya and Pearl would be nice to see.
You're saying that it's not odd that she wasn't in it, therefore she shouldn't be in it.
...No matter how I look at it, you're not making much sense.
No I'm saying your reasoning is flawed.
I'm understanding you want to see a case involving the Feys because it was odd that they weren't in AJ1.
We knew it was gonna be a fresh start (least supposed to until Nick arrived) with a new cast and heroes so why would we expect Maya or that to be in it?
Ema is....completely redone since her old appearance so I think she's ok but throwing in more Nick-centric characters would cripple Apollo Justice.
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No I'm saying your reasoning is flawed.
I'm understanding you want to see a case involving the Feys because it was odd that they weren't in AJ1.
We knew it was gonna be a fresh start (least supposed to until Nick arrived) with a new cast and heroes so why would we expect Maya or that to be in it?
Ema is....completely redone since her old appearance so I think she's ok but throwing in more Nick-centric characters would cripple Apollo Justice.
I'm understanding you want to see a case involving the Feys because it was odd that they weren't in AJ1.
We knew it was gonna be a fresh start (least supposed to until Nick arrived) with a new cast and heroes so why would we expect Maya or that to be in it?
Ema is....completely redone since her old appearance so I think she's ok but throwing in more Nick-centric characters would cripple Apollo Justice.
How exactly would it cripple the series? I'm asking for a one-case cameo then we throw them out like yesterday's trash (no offense intended). If the Kitakis appeared in PW before they appeared in AJ would that really cripple the series? (Phoenix seemed to know who they were at least)
Furthermore, we had the fake director and Meekins on top of the main man himself. The series is not crippled. And if Ema got redone, why can't Maya?
Not only that, but look at 2-4. It got 3 cameos from past games (Will Powers, Wendy Oldbag, Lotta Hart). I don't see it as a crippling of the case, so why can't we have a case in AJ where we have 2 cameos? They don't necessarily have to be uber-important to the case, like a victim or defendant (though it would save the writers the trouble of coming up with another character to be the defendant).
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GigaHand wrote:
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No I'm saying your reasoning is flawed.
I'm understanding you want to see a case involving the Feys because it was odd that they weren't in AJ1.
We knew it was gonna be a fresh start (least supposed to until Nick arrived) with a new cast and heroes so why would we expect Maya or that to be in it?
Ema is....completely redone since her old appearance so I think she's ok but throwing in more Nick-centric characters would cripple Apollo Justice.
I'm understanding you want to see a case involving the Feys because it was odd that they weren't in AJ1.
We knew it was gonna be a fresh start (least supposed to until Nick arrived) with a new cast and heroes so why would we expect Maya or that to be in it?
Ema is....completely redone since her old appearance so I think she's ok but throwing in more Nick-centric characters would cripple Apollo Justice.
How exactly would it cripple the series? I'm asking for a one-case cameo then we throw them out like yesterday's trash (no offense intended). If the Kitakis appeared in PW before they appeared in AJ would that really cripple the series? (Phoenix seemed to know who they were at least)
Furthermore, we had the fake director and Meekins on top of the main man himself. The series is not crippled. And if Ema got redone, why can't Maya?
Not only that, but look at 2-4. It got 3 cameos from past games (Will Powers, Wendy Oldbag, Lotta Hart). I don't see it as a crippling of the case, so why can't we have a case in AJ where we have 2 cameos? They don't necessarily have to be uber-important to the case, like a victim or defendant (though it would save the writers the trouble of coming up with another character to be the defendant).
2-4 Was essentially the same 'series' Phoenix Wright it's like a trilogy recurring characters were expected. And Ema was in a previously questionably uncanon until AJ1 case, and she's changed so dramatically and only appeared as a one off, she's not really a centric Phoenix Wright Character.
Same with Meekins and Hotti, Meekins was also a one off character from a questionably uncanon case. Hotti is also just an ongoing joke that he can seemingly pose as a doctor in any hospital hell unless Nick moved house it probably IS the same hospital it's understandable for him to be there.
Besides Maya got her cameo in AJ1, there's no need to give her a spriting appearance. If they brought Maya back, they'd feel inclined to give her a major role being a major recurring character, of course this role would have to be about Nick seeing as he's changed a lot it'd be a good chance to show what she thinks of the new Nick. Furthermore they still have a good friendship and she's more likely to be associated with Nick.
We don't need any more things to do with Nick for now, Apollo needs some limelight. However IF they put Maya in for a brief appearance as say...her stopping by to say hi to Nick or something equally unnecessary then disappear it would infuriate the fans as to why she was dangled before their eyes like a worm on a hook before being hauled away before they could get a bite of juicy nostalgia of Nick and Maya's adventures.
Pretty much
Maya's substantial appearance: Would make AJ2 too Nick-centric again as Apollo is outshone again.
Maya's tiny (sprited) cameo: Would make fans mad that they presented an old character again but not substantially.
In my opinion it's a case of both being bad so they shouldn't do either.
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And Ema was in a previously questionably uncanon until AJ1 case, and she's changed so dramatically and only appeared as a one off, she's not really a centric Phoenix Wright Character.
Then explain her appearance in AAI.
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Besides Maya got her cameo in AJ1, there's no need to give her a spriting appearance. If they brought Maya back, they'd feel inclined to give her a major role being a major recurring character, of course this role would have to be about Nick seeing as he's changed a lot it'd be a good chance to show what she thinks of the new Nick. Furthermore they still have a good friendship and she's more likely to be associated with Nick.
All this paragraph seems to be is baseless conjecture. Besides, it was a vague mention, not really a cameo.
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Pretty much
Maya's substantial appearance: Would make AJ2 too Nick-centric again as Apollo is outshone again.
Maya's tiny (sprited) cameo: Would make fans mad that they presented an old character again but not substantially.
In my opinion it's a case of both being bad so they shouldn't do either.
Maya's substantial appearance: Would make AJ2 too Nick-centric again as Apollo is outshone again.
Maya's tiny (sprited) cameo: Would make fans mad that they presented an old character again but not substantially.
In my opinion it's a case of both being bad so they shouldn't do either.
I'm sure many people would disagree.
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A 16ish year old Pearl, however, could possibly be pulled off.
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Then explain her appearance in AAI.
That game (to my knowledge no spoilers please) has no Nick in it...how does her appearence in AAI connect her heavily to Nick?
She's not Phoenix-Centric unlike Pearl Maya Mia and Edgeworth are.Quote:
All this paragraph seems to be is baseless conjecture. Besides, it was a vague mention, not really a cameo.
It's been confirmed as a cameo, vague mentions are Cameos.
Marche from FFTA is mentioned in FFTA2 in Montblanc's defeat speech "Ah old friend....is that you?" THIS is a cameo and is no different from the cameo Maya got.
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Your sure are you? Thats it? Your not providing alternatives? PAH! You can't suggest any other alternatives for what may happen if Maya was included briefly or substantially.
I can't deny that my opinion isn't Biased as I'd rather Apollo got the limelight this time but I think if Maya appeared briefly without any real effect or notice it'd annoy Maya fans, if she was given a substantial part it may become Nick-centric again like AJ1 was.
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GigaHand wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
And Ema was in a previously questionably uncanon until AJ1 case, and she's changed so dramatically and only appeared as a one off, she's not really a centric Phoenix Wright Character.
Then explain her appearance in AAI.
AAI isn't Phoenix Wright centric. It's Edgeworth centric. She only appeared there for fanservice.
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All this paragraph seems to be is baseless conjecture. Besides, it was a vague mention, not really a cameo.
It's been confirmed as NOT a cameo, vague mentions are NOT Cameos.
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I'm sure many people would disagree.
Your sure are you? Thats it? Your not providing alternatives? PAH! You can't suggest any other alternatives for what may happen if Maya was included briefly or substantially.
If you wanted an alternative you should have said so in the first place!
For all we know, Phoenix and Trucy visit Maya and Pearl from time to time. There wouldn't be a teary reunion sequence, and no need for Phoenix and Maya to catch up on everything. So Apollo could just learn all he needs to about spirit channeling for the trial, if it is indeed relevant. After all, Ron and Desiree were even closer yet 3-2 wasn't exactly completely revolving around their relationship! We heard how they met (which wasn't exactly relevant), Desiree brought the urn in, and it became a motive for Ron to commit the murder (even though he didn't). The rest was pure AA, especially since the latter part of court day 2 and the all of court day 1 they barely even got mentioned (as a couple, except for the scene with the urn)! Therefore, there is no need for Phoenix to steal the spotlight if the Feys are involved in a case!
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Fixed. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ ... 2871&l=dir
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a literary sketch, small dramatic scene, or the like, that effectively presents or depicts its subject.
Literary Sketch/Small scene that depicts a subject in this case Maya = Examine DVD's in Phoenix's hospital room for this subject.
CAMEO!
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If you wanted an alternative you should have said so in the first place!
For all we know, Phoenix and Trucy visit Maya and Pearl from time to time. There wouldn't be a teary reunion sequence, and no need for Phoenix and Maya to catch up on everything. So Apollo could just learn all he needs to about spirit channeling for the trial, if it is indeed relevant. After all, Ron and Desiree were even closer yet 3-2 wasn't exactly completely revolving around their relationship! We heard how they met (which wasn't exactly relevant), Desiree brought the urn in, and it became a motive for Ron to commit the murder (even though he didn't). The rest was pure AA, especially since the latter part of court day 2 and the all of court day 1 they barely even got mentioned (as a couple, except for the scene with the urn)! Therefore, there is no need for Phoenix to steal the spotlight if the Feys are involved in a case!
For all we know, Phoenix and Trucy visit Maya and Pearl from time to time. There wouldn't be a teary reunion sequence, and no need for Phoenix and Maya to catch up on everything. So Apollo could just learn all he needs to about spirit channeling for the trial, if it is indeed relevant. After all, Ron and Desiree were even closer yet 3-2 wasn't exactly completely revolving around their relationship! We heard how they met (which wasn't exactly relevant), Desiree brought the urn in, and it became a motive for Ron to commit the murder (even though he didn't). The rest was pure AA, especially since the latter part of court day 2 and the all of court day 1 they barely even got mentioned (as a couple, except for the scene with the urn)! Therefore, there is no need for Phoenix to steal the spotlight if the Feys are involved in a case!
Providing alternatives is essential! You can't just say "thats not right" you have to say WHY!
And the problem with that scenario starts with "Phoenix and Trucy visit Maya and Pearl" ....where's the mention of Apollo? He's got no reason to go, in fact I even imagine Trucy would stay with Apollo for him to work on whatever case he is. But no....already the point of view has been stolen from Apollo and transferred to Nick so that they can include Maya and Pearl in it. I'm not meaning about relationship stealing the light but Nick would be important. Bringing spirit channeling into it brings Maya and Pearl back, possibly bringing back the Magatama.
Think about the essential elements.
Setting: Kurain Village.
Characters: Pearl and Maya, Nick, Trucy, Apollo.
Elements: Spirit channelling.
Trucy is kind of similar to Maya but if as you say it's a routine visit then she'll just be part of the family unit probably quite acquainted with Maya and Pearl happily. Now add a murder in. If Phoenix did indeed get his badge back as his name was cleared at the end of 4-4 then you have 2 lawyers as well. Now....murder? Kurain Village? Spirit Channelling? Maya and Pearl? Nick? You've almost recreated 2-2 haven't you? Apollo is distinctly unneccessary.
NIIIIIIIICCK! It's so good to see you after so long! I heard you got your badge back!
Yeah Mr Nick! We're going to have a feast tonight let me go make the preparations.
Teehee Yeah Daddy's done really good these last few days he's really brightened up since getting his badge back.
Haha it's nice to see you too Maya but you really don't need to organise a feast for me.... Don't be silly Nick! I'm absolutely starving who said the feast was for you? Trucy go help Pearls with the food now come and tell me all about the city! *leads Nick off*
Umm......This is my visualisation of it....Apollo is left out as older characters interact and get major roles.
Capcom can't stick with old stuff like this they've brought in a new magical family of the Gramayres, they have to work with THEM now. Feys are associated with everything 'Phoenix' about AA. To make a case about them is essentially gonna leave Apollo on the sidelines again. The only way it could POSSIBLY work I see is if they gave us brand new Fey's...but thats probably not enough the fans don't care about the family in general they care about Maya and Pearl...the fact that they are involved with a deep tradition and family are just tools they can use to justify trying to bring Feys into AJ's era just like you are.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
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I've seen you pull this trick before
YOUR LINK wrote:
a literary sketch, small dramatic scene, or the like, that effectively presents or depicts its subject.
Literary Sketch/Small scene that ineffectively depicts a subject in this case Maya = Examine DVD's in Phoenix's hospital room for this subject.
NOT CAMEO!
Now let's stop being Wesley Stickler about this! What the heck is the relevance?
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If you wanted an alternative you should have said so in the first place!
For all we know, Phoenix and Trucy visit Maya and Pearl from time to time. There wouldn't be a teary reunion sequence, and no need for Phoenix and Maya to catch up on everything. So Apollo could just learn all he needs to about spirit channeling for the trial, if it is indeed relevant. After all, Ron and Desiree were even closer yet 3-2 wasn't exactly completely revolving around their relationship! We heard how they met (which wasn't exactly relevant), Desiree brought the urn in, and it became a motive for Ron to commit the murder (even though he didn't). The rest was pure AA, especially since the latter part of court day 2 and the all of court day 1 they barely even got mentioned (as a couple, except for the scene with the urn)! Therefore, there is no need for Phoenix to steal the spotlight if the Feys are involved in a case!
For all we know, Phoenix and Trucy visit Maya and Pearl from time to time. There wouldn't be a teary reunion sequence, and no need for Phoenix and Maya to catch up on everything. So Apollo could just learn all he needs to about spirit channeling for the trial, if it is indeed relevant. After all, Ron and Desiree were even closer yet 3-2 wasn't exactly completely revolving around their relationship! We heard how they met (which wasn't exactly relevant), Desiree brought the urn in, and it became a motive for Ron to commit the murder (even though he didn't). The rest was pure AA, especially since the latter part of court day 2 and the all of court day 1 they barely even got mentioned (as a couple, except for the scene with the urn)! Therefore, there is no need for Phoenix to steal the spotlight if the Feys are involved in a case!
And the problem with that scenario starts with "Phoenix and Trucy visit Maya and Pearl" ....where's the mention of Apollo?
He was still in law school or something when they made their first visits in my example.
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He's got no reason to go, in fact I even imagine Trucy would stay with Apollo for him to work on whatever case he is.
Vacation. And Nick's too cheap to go much further than a 2-hour train ride.
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But no....already the point of view has been stolen from Apollo and transferred to Nick so that they can include Maya and Pearl in it.
Are you that paranoid about Phoenix stealing the spotlight? Maya was used to drag Phoenix into 2-3, not to mention she gave Phoenix that final push he needed to convict Acro! Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.
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I'm not meaning about relationship stealing the light but Nick would be important. Bringing spirit channeling into it brings Maya and Pearl back, possibly bringing back the Magatama.
Think about the essential elements.
Setting: Kurain Village.
Characters: Pearl and Maya, Nick, Trucy, Apollo.
Elements: Spirit channelling.
Trucy is kind of similar to Maya but if as you say it's a routine visit then she'll just be part of the family unit probably quite acquainted with Maya and Pearl happily. Now add a murder in. If Phoenix did indeed get his badge back as his name was cleared at the end of 4-4 then you have 2 lawyers as well. Now....murder? Kurain Village? Spirit Channelling? Maya and Pearl? Nick? You've almost recreated 2-2 haven't you? Apollo is distinctly unneccessary.
Think about the essential elements.
Setting: Kurain Village.
Characters: Pearl and Maya, Nick, Trucy, Apollo.
Elements: Spirit channelling.
Trucy is kind of similar to Maya but if as you say it's a routine visit then she'll just be part of the family unit probably quite acquainted with Maya and Pearl happily. Now add a murder in. If Phoenix did indeed get his badge back as his name was cleared at the end of 4-4 then you have 2 lawyers as well. Now....murder? Kurain Village? Spirit Channelling? Maya and Pearl? Nick? You've almost recreated 2-2 haven't you? Apollo is distinctly unneccessary.
By this logic 3-5 is a recreation of 3-4, if less so.
Setting: Eagle Mountain.
Characters: Only common ones are Mia and Dahlia.
Elements: Actually, this is irrelevant. I never stated there had to be spirit channeling.
In other words, what the big deal?
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NIIIIIIIICCK! It's so good to see you after so long! I heard you got your badge back! Yeah Mr Nick! We're going to have a feast tonight let me go make the preparations. Teehee Yeah Daddy's done really good these last few days he's really brightened up since getting his badge back. Haha it's nice to see you too Maya but you really don't need to organise a feast for me.... Don't be silly Nick! I'm absolutely starving who said the feast was for you? Trucy go help Pearls with the food now come and tell me all about the city! *leads Nick off* Umm......This is my visualisation of it....Apollo is left out as older characters interact and get major roles.
Indeed this is one possibility. But Phoenix has likely told Maya about Apollo, and I find it hard to believe someone as outgoing as her wouldn't want to get acquainted. But it's late at night and I don't want to type up some dialogue.
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Capcom can't stick with old stuff like this they've brought in a new magical family of the Gramayres, they have to work with THEM now.
I even have something to say about this. What did we learn about the Feys in AA? We learned that the women are mediums and that the Master was missing. We learned a great deal about the Gramaryes in AJ (They're magicians, the "Master" commited suicide after giving the rights to his magic to Zak, whose wife allegedly died years ago, etc.) and even got closure (Valant's confession). There's not much left, in my opinion. Not only that, but there are far fewer Gramaryes than there are Feys. There are 6 Gramaryes if you count Apollo and Trucy, and an indefinite amount of Feys, of which we know of 8 if you include Iris and Dahlia.
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To make a case about them is essentially gonna leave Apollo on the sidelines again. The only way it could POSSIBLY work I see is if they gave us brand new Fey's...but thats probably not enough the fans don't care about the family in general they care about Maya and Pearl...the fact that they are involved with a deep tradition and family are just tools they can use to justify trying to bring Feys into AJ's era just like you are.
The only thing I'm using to justify a possible appearance of the Feys is fanservice! I honestly don't care much about the family itself, like you said. Furthermore, it could be the other way around! Maya and Pearl could pay a visit to the Wright Anything Agency!
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Now let's stop being Wesley Stickler about this! What the heck is the relevance?
You realise you fixed something that you yourself had quoted? Regardless of your immature denial of YOUR OWN EVIDENCE. The point is I am correct about the fact that Maya fans aren't satisfied with a tiny cameo, she got a tiny cameo they are still annoyed she's not there in a larger role.
Thus proving my theory correct.
And please stop 'fixing' posts it's not helping your case.
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He was still in law school or something when they made their first visits in my example.
I meant in a more literal sense GS5-timeline you describe a visit to Maya and Pearl but leave out Apollo because he is distinctly unnecessary.
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Vacation. And Nick's too cheap to go much further than a 2-hour train ride.
Too coincidental, Nick and Apollo are separate entities, Apollo doesnt spend much time with Nick he spends more time with Trucy, plus he's a grown man he wouldn't just go on vacation with Nick because he's part of the family.
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Are you that paranoid about Phoenix stealing the spotlight? Maya was used to drag Phoenix into 2-3, not to mention she gave Phoenix that final push he needed to convict Acro! Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.
No I'm perfectly justified....originally you described it as Trucy and Nick going to visit Maya no mention of Apollo, we just leave him to go and see Nick's perspective totally leaving Apollo out of the picture.
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By this logic 3-5 is a recreation of 3-4, if less so.
Setting: Eagle Mountain.
Characters: Only common ones are Mia and Dahlia.
Elements: Actually, this is irrelevant. I never stated there had to be spirit channeling.
In other words, what the big deal?
Setting: Eagle Mountain.
Characters: Only common ones are Mia and Dahlia.
Elements: Actually, this is irrelevant. I never stated there had to be spirit channeling.
In other words, what the big deal?
This is correct BUT! 3-4 was supposed to be similar to 3-5 didn't you sense it? The past and the future coming together, Dahlia seemingly reappearing at the place where those murder's happened long ago, hell Ghost Mia shows up beside Nick for a double objection. The similarities are supposed to create a historic relevance. Make the reader think "No Way...." when they see Dahlia (actually Iris) at Eagle river seemingly completely reformed.
Your case is just to bring Kurain and the Fey's back into it no historical relevance necessary apart from reuniting Maya and Nick to satisfy the fans.
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Indeed this is one possibility. But Phoenix has likely told Maya about Apollo, and I find it hard to believe someone as outgoing as her wouldn't want to get acquainted. But it's late at night and I don't want to type up some dialogue.
True she may be outgoing but she's likely to just grab Nick and talk with him while Apollo is left in the dark, which doesn't make for much story on his part.
Hey....can I join you?
Maybe later....we're catching up on old times you know private friend stuff.And I imagine Trucy and Pearls would just play if she didn't have work.
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I even have something to say about this. What did we learn about the Feys in AA? We learned that the women are mediums and that the Master was missing. We learned a great deal about the Gramaryes in AJ (They're magicians, the "Master" commited suicide after giving the rights to his magic to Zak, whose wife allegedly died years ago, etc.) and even got closure (Valant's confession). There's not much left, in my opinion. Not only that, but there are far fewer Gramaryes than there are Feys. There are 6 Gramaryes if you count Apollo and Trucy, and an indefinite amount of Feys, of which we know of 8 if you include Iris and Dahlia.
We learned about the Magatama, how it works, some detailed rituals of the Feys, how the process of spirit channeling works and how it was used commerically, how they have influence in the government, how they are connected to various crime cases like DL-6 and 2-2, etc. There's still mystery around the Gramayre bracelet like how it works and who Apollo's father was amidst other things, plus theres still plenty to discuss about Magnifi and if Capcom can't think of any more about the Gramayre's then they CERTAINLY won't go looking to the Fey's who are just if not more so explored than the Gramayre's.
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The only thing I'm using to justify a possible appearance of the Feys is fanservice! I honestly don't care much about the family itself, like you said. Furthermore, it could be the other way around! Maya and Pearl could pay a visit to the Wright Anything Agency!
And this is what I'm talking about....Fanservice it ruins games.
How much EASIER would Apollo Justice have been...if Phoenix hadn't been included as fanservice? Fan opinion can RUIN games we should have very little affect on the canon product of the game. Thanks to Fanservice Apollo Justice ended up centered around Phoenix as they were unable to successfully balance the amount of attention on Phoenix and ended up revolving the story around him. Without Phoenix as Fanservice Apollo Justice could've had an original storyline centered around him and his exploits, he could've came to realise that Kristoph was the murderer in 4-1 himself, making him appear more competent rather than needing Nick to spoon feed him all the way.
Fanservice is bad and as has been shown by your annoyance at Maya's cameo from AJ1 you wouldn't be satisfied with her actually getting a visit to Wright Anything Agency, that artists have to go into detail spriting her from scratch just so she can make a cameo appearence...you'd want more than that again dragging the game into a circulation around characters connected with Phoenix's era.
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However, this about GS5 ideas, not a "Who's better" contest. I'd like the idea of including the Feys, but the problem with this is either making Apollo less important (which isn't fair) or making Fey fans whine more about everyone else they want back (also unfair). Is there a way to make the Feys important without them stealing the spotlight? There are yes answers, but here's one I'll discuss:
Yes, there is a chance to include the Feys without stealing the spotlight. However, it'll require extensive care to make sure both sides are ok with this. The idea I have is to not include Phoenix as much as possible. Fey fans might say this is unfair, as Nick has the biggest connection with the Fey Family, but they do not consider that the Feys are their own characters and not a part of Phoenix's own. How can this be possible? Let's consider 1-4's subplot of making the idea of spiritual channeling public in court systems. Maya (as the leader of Kurain) would decide that she would like that possibility to happen again because of 4-4, so we start another trial with the Gramarye Family as the main focus (whether is by being a witness, defendant, or a victim). That way it'll make both sides happy in some way and not as angry as it could have been.
Anyway, that's my idea.
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While I appreciate the breakdown a lot of Fey fans aren't.....JUST Fey fans.
Lots are PhoenixXMaya fans so...they'd need both.
There's too many variables to be a successful outcome.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
I'm not sure...Kitsu.
While I appreciate the breakdown a lot of Fey fans aren't.....JUST Fey fans.
Lots are PhoenixXMaya fans so...they'd need both.
There's too many variables to be a successful outcome.
While I appreciate the breakdown a lot of Fey fans aren't.....JUST Fey fans.
Lots are PhoenixXMaya fans so...they'd need both.
There's too many variables to be a successful outcome.
Like I said, that is one possible outcome out of many, but I like the idea I gave more than the blatant "Apollo Visits Kurain with Phoenix and co." or "Maya and Pearl go to see Nick again at the Wright Anything Agency" or even "Maya's accused of murder, so Polly must defend her now" because it sounds more logical and believable (the one's I've stated sound too coincidental and cliche). We can still say that Maya was inspired by Phoenix so a relationship is starting to form in Maya's eyes. The reason I don't want Phoenix included much with the Feys is because it deconstructs both Phoenix and the Fey Family as well as putting unnecessary side-stories about relationships in the game that will probably be Apollo's in the future. Basically, I like the idea of the Feys in GS5, but with too many outcomes to choose from and too many possible complaints, I like this original idea that I gave most because it's unique, can be fun, and can be acceptable to both sides if done correctly.
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I've been trying to think of more Gramarye cases, but I haven't been able to think of any yet. I'd like to see one where they expand the Gramarye family. For example, if Magnifi had many affairs, there could be a random "cult" of Gramarye people.
Speaking of which, I'd like a case centered around a really creepy "cult" and all sorts of characters that come from it. i.e. an overly cheerful morbid girl and so on...
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I'm opposed to the Fey idea. We've had three games of the Feys and one of the Gramaryes. Give the Gramaryes a chance. I mean, do we really need to see more Feys?
I've been trying to think of more Gramarye cases, but I haven't been able to think of any yet. I'd like to see one where they expand the Gramarye family. For example, if Magnifi had many affairs, there could be a random "cult" of Gramarye people.
Speaking of which, I'd like a case centered around a really creepy "cult" and all sorts of characters that come from it. i.e. an overly cheerful morbid girl and so on...
I've been trying to think of more Gramarye cases, but I haven't been able to think of any yet. I'd like to see one where they expand the Gramarye family. For example, if Magnifi had many affairs, there could be a random "cult" of Gramarye people.
Speaking of which, I'd like a case centered around a really creepy "cult" and all sorts of characters that come from it. i.e. an overly cheerful morbid girl and so on...
I could totally see a crowd of Gramarye fans as new characters.
That would be awesome.
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I'm opposed to the Fey idea. We've had three games of the Feys and one of the Gramaryes. Give the Gramaryes a chance. I mean, do we really need to see more Feys?
I've been trying to think of more Gramarye cases, but I haven't been able to think of any yet. I'd like to see one where they expand the Gramarye family. For example, if Magnifi had many affairs, there could be a random "cult" of Gramarye people.
Speaking of which, I'd like a case centered around a really creepy "cult" and all sorts of characters that come from it. i.e. an overly cheerful morbid girl and so on...
I've been trying to think of more Gramarye cases, but I haven't been able to think of any yet. I'd like to see one where they expand the Gramarye family. For example, if Magnifi had many affairs, there could be a random "cult" of Gramarye people.
Speaking of which, I'd like a case centered around a really creepy "cult" and all sorts of characters that come from it. i.e. an overly cheerful morbid girl and so on...
I could totally see a crowd of Gramarye fans as new characters.
That would be awesome.
Like a group of Gramarye fans who think Trucy is the next "chosen one" or something to that ridiculous extent? And they all have phony Gramarye outfits and are in the front row of Trucy's performances.
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Like a group of Gramarye fans who think Trucy is the next "chosen one" or something to that ridiculous extent? And they all have phony Gramarye outfits and are in the front row of Trucy's performances.
YES.
One case could be about where a Gramarye fan is accused of killing another Gramarye hater and Apollo must defend him/her.
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Yaragorm wrote:
One case could be about where a Gramarye fan is accused of killing another Gramarye hater and Apollo must defend him/her.
What's scary about this is that I can see this happening...
Still, this is fairly nice for probably the second or third case of the game. It can give us a better understanding of the Gramaryes in generak and possibly gives some humor (fan has crazy theory that Lamiror is actually Thalassa and Apollo doesn't believe it? Trucy and fan talk about their favoive tricks?).
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Yaragorm wrote:
One case could be about where a Gramarye fan is accused of killing another Gramarye hater and Apollo must defend him/her.
What's scary about this is that I can see this happening...
Still, this is fairly nice for probably the second or third case of the game. It can give us a better understanding of the Gramaryes in generak and possibly gives some humor (fan has crazy theory that Lamiror is actually Thalassa and Apollo doesn't believe it? Trucy and fan talk about their favoive tricks?).
Love the irony in that fan's theory.
Plus it could be entertaining to see Trucy get worshipped so.
It could work yeah but so long as they don't need to 'explain' the magic tricks that bit of 4-3 almost killed me with the guilt.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Kits U. wrote:
Yaragorm wrote:
One case could be about where a Gramarye fan is accused of killing another Gramarye hater and Apollo must defend him/her.
What's scary about this is that I can see this happening...
Still, this is fairly nice for probably the second or third case of the game. It can give us a better understanding of the Gramaryes in generak and possibly gives some humor (fan has crazy theory that Lamiror is actually Thalassa and Apollo doesn't believe it? Trucy and fan talk about their favoive tricks?).
Love the irony in that fan's theory.
Plus it could be entertaining to see Trucy get worshipped so.
It could work yeah but so long as they don't need to 'explain' the magic tricks that bit of 4-3 almost killed me with the guilt.
I had this image of Trucy turning up to the courtroom entrance and a swarm of her fans screaming and waving massive cut-outs of her... that would make Herr Gavin jealous :P But on another note, that idea is pretty awesome - the Gramaryes should have their own time in the spotlight, given the AJ series. How about the victim is found stuffed inside a giant top hat...?
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Instead, I'll elaborate on an earlier case idea of mine.
I came up with this after thinking of how the attorney's badge can be the final, decisive piece of evidence. This is intended to be the final case. The killer completely idolizes Phoenix Wright. And the victim, who was wearing a baseball cap backwards, has hair like Apollo! Anyway, after hearing that Apollo is Phoenix's protege, this person is imbued with unspeakable jealousy. They ambush the victim with a blunt object, because their silhouette looks like Apollo's. Then, once they learn that it wasn't Apollo they killed, they plant some evidence to pin the blame onto Apollo. The first is a mark in wet cement that matches Apollo's bracelet, and the second is a witness whom they paid to give false testimony. Oh, and just for the heck of it, the killer is the prosecutor, bent on completely humiliating Apollo in court. When they fail (twice!), they come up with this plan. Apollo denies Phoenix's reqest to defend him (assuming he got his badge back) because he needs answers as to why this person hates him so much (is this guy sounding a bit too much like Godot?). Apollo does the investigation on the first day, and at the end, Ema reluctantly arrests him. Not too sure about what would happen on the second day, though. Maybe we get to control Ema?
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EDIT: Ah, screw it. The whole thing is pointless, and I've begun to lose confidence in my own argument.
Instead, I'll elaborate on an earlier case idea of mine.
I came up with this after thinking of how the attorney's badge can be the final, decisive piece of evidence. This is intended to be the final case. The killer completely idolizes Phoenix Wright. And the victim, who was wearing a baseball cap backwards, has hair like Apollo! Anyway, after hearing that Apollo is Phoenix's protege, this person is imbued with unspeakable jealousy. They ambush the victim with a blunt object, because their silhouette looks like Apollo's. Then, once they learn that it wasn't Apollo they killed, they plant some evidence to pin the blame onto Apollo. The first is a mark in wet cement that matches Apollo's bracelet, and the second is a witness whom they paid to give false testimony. Oh, and just for the heck of it, the killer is the prosecutor, bent on completely humiliating Apollo in court. When they fail (twice!), they come up with this plan. Apollo denies Phoenix's reqest to defend him (assuming he got his badge back) because he needs answers as to why this person hates him so much (is this guy sounding a bit too much like Godot?). Apollo does the investigation on the first day, and at the end, Ema reluctantly arrests him. Not too sure about what would happen on the second day, though. Maybe we get to control Ema?
Instead, I'll elaborate on an earlier case idea of mine.
I came up with this after thinking of how the attorney's badge can be the final, decisive piece of evidence. This is intended to be the final case. The killer completely idolizes Phoenix Wright. And the victim, who was wearing a baseball cap backwards, has hair like Apollo! Anyway, after hearing that Apollo is Phoenix's protege, this person is imbued with unspeakable jealousy. They ambush the victim with a blunt object, because their silhouette looks like Apollo's. Then, once they learn that it wasn't Apollo they killed, they plant some evidence to pin the blame onto Apollo. The first is a mark in wet cement that matches Apollo's bracelet, and the second is a witness whom they paid to give false testimony. Oh, and just for the heck of it, the killer is the prosecutor, bent on completely humiliating Apollo in court. When they fail (twice!), they come up with this plan. Apollo denies Phoenix's reqest to defend him (assuming he got his badge back) because he needs answers as to why this person hates him so much (is this guy sounding a bit too much like Godot?). Apollo does the investigation on the first day, and at the end, Ema reluctantly arrests him. Not too sure about what would happen on the second day, though. Maybe we get to control Ema?
So how does that make the Attorney's Badge the final evidence?
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JingoJingle wrote:
GigaHand wrote:
EDIT: Ah, screw it. The whole thing is pointless, and I've begun to lose confidence in my own argument.
Instead, I'll elaborate on an earlier case idea of mine.
I came up with this after thinking of how the attorney's badge can be the final, decisive piece of evidence. This is intended to be the final case. The killer completely idolizes Phoenix Wright. And the victim, who was wearing a baseball cap backwards, has hair like Apollo! Anyway, after hearing that Apollo is Phoenix's protege, this person is imbued with unspeakable jealousy. They ambush the victim with a blunt object, because their silhouette looks like Apollo's. Then, once they learn that it wasn't Apollo they killed, they plant some evidence to pin the blame onto Apollo. The first is a mark in wet cement that matches Apollo's bracelet, and the second is a witness whom they paid to give false testimony. Oh, and just for the heck of it, the killer is the prosecutor, bent on completely humiliating Apollo in court. When they fail (twice!), they come up with this plan. Apollo denies Phoenix's reqest to defend him (assuming he got his badge back) because he needs answers as to why this person hates him so much (is this guy sounding a bit too much like Godot?). Apollo does the investigation on the first day, and at the end, Ema reluctantly arrests him. Not too sure about what would happen on the second day, though. Maybe we get to control Ema?
Instead, I'll elaborate on an earlier case idea of mine.
I came up with this after thinking of how the attorney's badge can be the final, decisive piece of evidence. This is intended to be the final case. The killer completely idolizes Phoenix Wright. And the victim, who was wearing a baseball cap backwards, has hair like Apollo! Anyway, after hearing that Apollo is Phoenix's protege, this person is imbued with unspeakable jealousy. They ambush the victim with a blunt object, because their silhouette looks like Apollo's. Then, once they learn that it wasn't Apollo they killed, they plant some evidence to pin the blame onto Apollo. The first is a mark in wet cement that matches Apollo's bracelet, and the second is a witness whom they paid to give false testimony. Oh, and just for the heck of it, the killer is the prosecutor, bent on completely humiliating Apollo in court. When they fail (twice!), they come up with this plan. Apollo denies Phoenix's reqest to defend him (assuming he got his badge back) because he needs answers as to why this person hates him so much (is this guy sounding a bit too much like Godot?). Apollo does the investigation on the first day, and at the end, Ema reluctantly arrests him. Not too sure about what would happen on the second day, though. Maybe we get to control Ema?
So how does that make the Attorney's Badge the final evidence?
Motive. The attorney's badge would be the evidence you present to provide a motive.
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