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I heavily doubt this person is Winston. First why should Winston have access to such police gear?
He could have had a mid-life crisis or tragedy as a prosecutor (too many defeats! NOOO) and turned into a police officer... Not too hard to come up with a reason for that.
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I still think it's very suspect that they've entered in a Payne 2. But, looking at GS4 Payne, perhaps the reason they changed characters is because hair strands are a 3D nightmare. Of course, that then begs the question of why they didn't just give Winston a Bald Afro instead...
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Though yeah I still reckon it's a Payne, perhaps he went into a detective job or tinkered with the system so he's a fake police officer.
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Huh… Curious the lack of skin flaps on the 3D model vs the illustration. If I didn't know better I'd have said they were two different people. But the police man's testimony screams "Frank Sawit". I still think it's Winston, but you've entered a ton of reasonable doubt into my theory.
I still think it's very suspect that they've entered in a Payne 2.
I still think it's very suspect that they've entered in a Payne 2.
I can't say I am too sure of my opinion as well. But there is a third reason why I don't think Winston is the culprit. Do you really think Winston Payne, a character that appearead in all six Ace Attorney games up until now, will say farewell as a ruthless murderer? I can't imagine poor Payne will end like this.
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What do we actually know about Winston? He looses every case we see him in, and he's seemingly the only prosecutor to consider the motive of the defendant in his cases. The fact that for all his screen time, we don't know what makes him tick leaves a lot of room to be written in.
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Good game, Capcom - this is definitely a good step in the right direction...this trailer is ALL of the awesome.
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Lusankya wrote:
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Huh… Curious the lack of skin flaps on the 3D model vs the illustration. If I didn't know better I'd have said they were two different people. But the police man's testimony screams "Frank Sawit". I still think it's Winston, but you've entered a ton of reasonable doubt into my theory.
I still think it's very suspect that they've entered in a Payne 2.
I still think it's very suspect that they've entered in a Payne 2.
I can't say I am too sure of my opinion as well. But there is a third reason why I don't think Winston is the culprit. Do you really think Winston Payne, a character that appearead in all six Ace Attorney games up until now, will say farewell as a ruthless murderer? I can't imagine poor Payne will end like this.
He could snap after all the failures and losses in his career. Perhaps he got fired and joined a bomb squad instead or something. Look at Frank Sahwit, he's equally pathetic and he snapped.
Besides this game is meant to be darker correct? It would certainly set the ball rolling.
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Also, regarding the red elephant thing, I have a feeling it's a mascot for something...if you pause the trailer carefully at one point, you can see its name is "Netsuzou", which is sorta hard to translate... "Fever Elephant"?
Then again it could be the soft toy the bomb was hidden in...
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I know that shadow guy at the end has curly hair, but I find myself hoping that Edgeworth got a perm...
Anyway, now I can't wait for the probable epic court video!
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Nonetheless it feels great to get Nick back. Trailer looks awesome <3
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Lusankya wrote:
Wooster wrote:
For the first point, I've got no explanation. But, was there an explanation at this time for Hobohodo?
As for the second, I say otherwise. Look at Payne's only non-sprite edit from GS4.
As for the second, I say otherwise. Look at Payne's only non-sprite edit from GS4.
Okay, when you look at that animation it's quite similar.
But watch the new trailer again:
It looks like you can see his skull under his skin and it just doesn't really look like Payne in 3D.
(Yes it's his brother but apart from his hair they look identical)
You can see their skull? the face seems similar to a certain person who does have access to a form of uniform
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ha i joke, i doubt it's them, or a relative.
Also in regards to the silhouette, we can see a scarf and were given a white feather.....
or could it be a Feather Boa?
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Also we me gat 2 variations of a 3D phoenix in the space of a year due to his outfit change between PWvPL and AA5
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Think about it, why would he (the bomb-guy) bring up the fact that he hates defence attorneys unless one was killed? They are ultimately trying to prove that (bomb-guy) killed the victim. When trying to prove his motive, they find out that he has a grudge against attorneys. They wouldn't need to prove that unless an attorney was killed. Now whether it was a defense attorney or not is up for debate. Why would an attorney be alone in court? Was the attorney the only one who was killed?
I don't know, but if Apollo really does get killed I'm seriously considering not buying this game (no matter how much I crave a new AA). Killing him off is the most immature way to get rid of the character. They could just say he's studying abroad, but apparently Apollo was such an insanely horridly awful disgusting atrocious abysmal character that he deserved to die. APPARENTLY.
I'm overreacting. A lot. But the sudden change in attorneys and the testimony scare me.
I'm overreacting.
A lot.
Don't take anything I've said seriously. I'm just speculating.
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This keeps convincing me that Apollo gets killed.
Think about it, why would he (the bomb-guy) bring up the fact that he hates defence attorneys unless one was killed? They are ultimately trying to prove that (bomb-guy) killed the victim. When trying to prove his motive, they find out that he has a grudge against attorneys. They wouldn't need to prove that unless an attorney was killed. Now whether it was a defense attorney or not is up for debate. Why would an attorney be alone in court? Was the attorney the only one who was killed?
I don't know, but if Apollo really does get killed I'm seriously considering not buying this game (no matter how much I crave a new AA). Killing him off is the most immature way to get rid of the character. They could just say he's studying abroad, but apparently Apollo was such an insanely horridly awful disgusting atrocious abysmal character that he deserved to die. APPARENTLY.
I'm overreacting. A lot. But the sudden change in attorneys and the testimony scare me.
I'm overreacting.
A lot.
Don't take anything I've said seriously. I'm just speculating.
Think about it, why would he (the bomb-guy) bring up the fact that he hates defence attorneys unless one was killed? They are ultimately trying to prove that (bomb-guy) killed the victim. When trying to prove his motive, they find out that he has a grudge against attorneys. They wouldn't need to prove that unless an attorney was killed. Now whether it was a defense attorney or not is up for debate. Why would an attorney be alone in court? Was the attorney the only one who was killed?
I don't know, but if Apollo really does get killed I'm seriously considering not buying this game (no matter how much I crave a new AA). Killing him off is the most immature way to get rid of the character. They could just say he's studying abroad, but apparently Apollo was such an insanely horridly awful disgusting atrocious abysmal character that he deserved to die. APPARENTLY.
I'm overreacting. A lot. But the sudden change in attorneys and the testimony scare me.
I'm overreacting.
A lot.
Don't take anything I've said seriously. I'm just speculating.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I don't want them to kill off Apollo in 5 seconds and then just forget about him. As someone who was introduced into AA by Apollo and his story that would be awful.
However, if they make it a major plot point and it's not just a way to get Phoenix into the main role again, I might be up for it. In fact, a well-developed, important death with far-reaching consequences would be preferable to one line about him being overseas.
What I don't want is TRANSFORMERS: THE MOVIE. Do you guys remember that one? It was the animated one from the 80's. They killed off the entire cast in order for Hasbro to introduce the new toy line. This would be bad.
But some of the best movies and TV shows have a character die, but that death and that character's goals become an important part of the story overall. This would be alright. In my opinion it is more respectful to Apollo than mentioning him overseas, because we know he's not going to be the star of any new games. [Realistically, they're not getting rid of Phoenix again.] So I'd rather see him go out with a bang then just be forgotten.
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ADA McCoy wrote:
So I'd rather see him go out with a bang then just be forgotten.
Quite literally in this case. I find it hard to believe that an attorney would be the only one in court who would get killed by the bomb. But it looks like an attorney does die. Killing off Apollo as soon as the game starts would be absolutely horrible though. It wouldn't make sense to new players or old players. Since Apollo is a main character in the AA universe it wouldn't make sense for them to kill him off as soon as the game starts because new players don't know who he is. Also for his death to leave a true impact we need to actually see him do something of worth during AA5. We also need to see the cast's reactions to his death. I don't want to be thrust into the courtroom and hear "Apollo Justice died" and the rest of the case continue as if he's a normal victim.
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However, if they make it a major plot point and it's not just a way to get Phoenix into the main role again, I might be up for it. In fact, a well-developed, important death with far-reaching consequences would be preferable to one line about him being overseas.
I'd rather have him being overseas to be honest. It could mean him returning in another game. As long as he's not dead I'm ok. And I find the theory of Phoenix retaking the exam because of Apollo's death rather unlikely. Think about it, Phoenix one day hears that Apollo died in court. He has to retake the bar exam and find his client in around 3(?) days. The explosion probably happened when Phoenix had already taken the bar exam.
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Maybe Apollo IS caught up in it, only he doesnt die, and is "just" injured or something?
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I like how they tied together Kokone's name pun and her design, I knew there would be a tsuki/duzki somewhere in her name.
Also, regarding the red elephant thing, I have a feeling it's a mascot for something...if you pause the trailer carefully at one point, you can see its name is "Netsuzou", which is sorta hard to translate... "Fever Elephant"?
Then again it could be the soft toy the bomb was hidden in...
Also, regarding the red elephant thing, I have a feeling it's a mascot for something...if you pause the trailer carefully at one point, you can see its name is "Netsuzou", which is sorta hard to translate... "Fever Elephant"?
Then again it could be the soft toy the bomb was hidden in...
I'm putting in a vote in for "PASSION ELEPHANT!!!"
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Zekrom025 wrote:
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So I'd rather see him go out with a bang then just be forgotten.
And I find the theory of Phoenix retaking the exam because of Apollo's death rather unlikely. Think about it, Phoenix one day hears that Apollo died in court. He has to retake the bar exam and find his client in around 3(?) days. The explosion probably happened when Phoenix had already taken the bar exam.
They could have it so he re-took the bar exam as soon as Apollo Justice ended because he felt he needed to take back what was stolen from him, but his experiences might have turned him away from becoming an Attorney again; maybe he just carries on as Hobo Phoenix or finds another job and leaves the defending to Apollo.
But then if Apollo died... I could see that being the catalyst for his return to the court. I don't think Capcom will do it, but it'd make for an interesting plot point.
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Zekrom025 wrote:
ADA McCoy wrote:
So I'd rather see him go out with a bang then just be forgotten.
Quite literally in this case. I find it hard to believe that an attorney would be the only one in court who would get killed by the bomb. But it looks like an attorney does die. Killing off Apollo as soon as the game starts would be absolutely horrible though. It wouldn't make sense to new players or old players. Since Apollo is a main character in the AA universe it wouldn't make sense for them to kill him off as soon as the game starts because new players don't know who he is. Also for his death to leave a true impact we need to actually see him do something of worth during AA5. We also need to see the cast's reactions to his death. I don't want to be thrust into the courtroom and hear "Apollo Justice died" and the rest of the case continue as if he's a normal victim.
ADA McCoy wrote:
However, if they make it a major plot point and it's not just a way to get Phoenix into the main role again, I might be up for it. In fact, a well-developed, important death with far-reaching consequences would be preferable to one line about him being overseas.
I'd rather have him being overseas to be honest. It could mean him returning in another game. As long as he's not dead I'm ok. And I find the theory of Phoenix retaking the exam because of Apollo's death rather unlikely. Think about it, Phoenix one day hears that Apollo died in court. He has to retake the bar exam and find his client in around 3(?) days. The explosion probably happened when Phoenix had already taken the bar exam.
I don't think he takes the bar exam because of Apollo's death. As you said, he's already taken the exam. In fact, the bomb being shown like it happens that day or that week, which isn't enough time to take the bar exam..
As sad as I am to admit it, I don't think we'll see him in another game. While I personally look at AJ's story as great, I'm sure Capcom looks at AJ as a mistake. So they're not going to kick Phoenix out again. I guess its possible to have a spin-off series like GK, but since AJ gameplay would be normal GS gameplay I don't think it would happen. It would seem that Apollo is just a side character now. And I think he's too important of a character to just fade away.
Don't get me wrong, Killing Apollo is by far not my first choice. I'd much rather him be an important side character in GS5. But, as I said [and no pun intended on my earlier post] if killing Apollo [and the aftermath of that] will have a greater effect on the world and become a main factor in the game's plot, I'd rather have that than have him mentioned once or twice then disappear forever. It's the same exact outcome from a narrative standpoint only he doesn't get enough attention drawn to him. I want Apollo to have more of an impact than just getting Wright back into court. Look at Mia [don't even include her post death appearances.] Her death was one of the main elements driving the plot of GS1. So sometimes a character death treated with respect can be good for that character's mark on the world.
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He's not exactly that important, so if they absolutely have to kill a defence attorney, make it Grossburg, not Apollo.
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Wooster wrote:
Hmm. Chronologically we haven't seen Grossberg since GS1, so he might as well be considered MIA. Considering everyone else known in his law firm is dead, (Mia, Diego, and Robert), there's nothing tying him to the ongoing storyline. I think he'd be an excellent victim.
Wait. Did it really take 6 years for me to figure out Mia's name pun? *Face desk*
Wait. Did it really take 6 years for me to figure out Mia's name pun? *Face desk*
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blahmoomoo wrote:
Wooster wrote:
Hmm. Chronologically we haven't seen Grossberg since GS1, so he might as well be considered MIA. Considering everyone else known in his law firm is dead, (Mia, Diego, and Robert), there's nothing tying him to the ongoing storyline. I think he'd be an excellent victim.
Wait. Did it really take 6 years for me to figure out Mia's name pun? *Face desk*
Wait. Did it really take 6 years for me to figure out Mia's name pun? *Face desk*
...
*simultaneous face desk*
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That was it? I couldn't figure it out and assumed it was some complicated reference to something I wasn't aware of.
Professor Yoshi, as for Grossberg, since he hasn't been in the games since the first there would be no reason to kill him off/reference him at all. The only reason to kill off any main character is if it's going to be important to the plot. Otherwise they should just use a new face as the victim. I understand why people don't want Apollo to die [I certainly don't], and doubt that Capcom would do it, but as I've said before I'd rather him be killed off in an important way rather than have him disappear in a reference and then is never seen again.
Like I said, my preference [and what I believe will happen] is that Apollo has a big role as an ally of Phoenix in the game. Non-Playable, but still important to the case. They haven't shown any returning characters yet, so until more detailed info about the plot comes out I am not worried about Apollo. Especially if there are animated cutscenes in the game, it means there will be more chances to have Apollo in the shot.
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ADA McCoy wrote:
blahmoomoo wrote:
Wooster wrote:
Hmm. Chronologically we haven't seen Grossberg since GS1, so he might as well be considered MIA. Considering everyone else known in his law firm is dead, (Mia, Diego, and Robert), there's nothing tying him to the ongoing storyline. I think he'd be an excellent victim.
Wait. Did it really take 6 years for me to figure out Mia's name pun? *Face desk*
Wait. Did it really take 6 years for me to figure out Mia's name pun? *Face desk*
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*simultaneous face desk*
*Buys new desk just to face desk*
*Borrows neighbor's desk for a face desk*
Grossberg does seem to be the go-to guy for victims in fan cases, perhaps because he's a known but unimportant character. If Apollo does wind up kicking the bucket (hopefully not!), on the other hand, I expect his death to be directly connected to the overarching plot. Not as a throwaway victim in Case 1 (or indeed, any case that's not the finale), that's just insulting.
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Wooster wrote:
Hmm. Chronologically we haven't seen Grossberg since GS1, so he might as well be considered MIA. Considering everyone else known in his law firm is dead, (Mia, Diego, and Robert), there's nothing tying him to the ongoing storyline. I think he'd be an excellent victim.
Wait. Did it really take 6 years for me to figure out Mia's name pun? *Face desk*
Wait. Did it really take 6 years for me to figure out Mia's name pun? *Face desk*
Can I join you also? *Face desk*
I never thought that was what it meant. I got that Misty Fey sounds like "mystify" but....
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Wooster wrote:
Hmm. Chronologically we haven't seen Grossberg since GS1, so he might as well be considered MIA. Considering everyone else known in his law firm is dead, (Mia, Diego, and Robert), there's nothing tying him to the ongoing storyline. I think he'd be an excellent victim.
Wait. Did it really take 6 years for me to figure out Mia's name pun? *Face desk*
Wait. Did it really take 6 years for me to figure out Mia's name pun? *Face desk*
...OH BOY!
I never realized that either!!!
As for Apollo, I agree if he's the "victim", this'd better not be a murder, I'd rather have him just be in coma a lá Diego Armando or something.
I actually had that weird idea that they *say* Apollo was killed in the explosion, but during the trial, Nick figures out that the autopsy report is fake because there's no crime scene photos of the body and they realize that the body was never found, which could initiate some kind of "Where in the world is my protégé?!" plotline to be kicked off. (And maybe Apollo full-out goes Godot and he's the Mystery Prosecu-- OK, I'll shut up already.)
Yeah... That, or they kill of Grossberg. Actually, yeah, please Grossberg. He's old, he'd still have an impact on people by dying, but we can forgive it, because he had it coming.
Oh, and as for Kokone's English name? I think the pun in her name is almost more important than the meaning of the Kanji: Her name can be taken to mean "Notice this! Look here!" as a pun, which goes well with her obviously attention-hungry personality (which she somewhat shares with Apollo and makes a great contrast to Nick's personality). Meanwhile, the Kanji in her name make it means "Wishing Moon, Sound of Heart/Heartbeat"
I think they are more likely to translate the first pun, than the second.
Also, on the Famitsu Website, I read that Kokone, very important, studied in "America" (Which in the localization is likely gonna be Germany again) so I kinda am leaning towards German-ish names for her.
One name that came to me was one that doesn't really translate any of the meanings of her name, but just goes for another pun, simmilar to Kay's name.
"Anika 'Annie' Wayes". A pun on "Anyway". Though, I guess that's a bit too simple... (Even if I like the sound of "Annie". I think it'd suit her.)
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But the police man's testimony screams "Frank Sawit".
While we're coming up with names, who's up for "Ernest Bluet"?
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I still think it's very suspect that they've entered in a Payne 2. But, looking at GS4 Payne, perhaps the reason they changed characters is because hair strands are a 3D nightmare. Of course, that then begs the question of why they didn't just give Winston a Bald Afro instead...
Was there ever concept art of him with a bald afro anyway?
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Also, regarding the red elephant thing, I have a feeling it's a mascot for something...if you pause the trailer carefully at one point, you can see its name is "Netsuzou", which is sorta hard to translate... "Fever Elephant"?
Then again it could be the soft toy the bomb was hidden in...
Then again it could be the soft toy the bomb was hidden in...
It should be. In one shot during the livestream, they brought up a picture of the toy's tail, implying that the plush toy broke into pieces. It also makes sense that they'd arrest the girl who owns that toy. Now I'm curious about that other animal doll(?), the blue rhino dressed as Nick.
Glad to know that police investigations aside from the participation of an Edgeworth are once again... rushed.
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http://www.siliconera.com/2012/09/21/ac ... s-a-blast/
So apparently the defendant, Shinobu, is Kokone's childhood friend.
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Lusankya wrote:
Siliconera has new infos on the AA5 TGS demo.
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/09/21/ac ... s-a-blast/
So apparently the defendant, Shinobu, is Kokone's childhood friend.
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/09/21/ac ... s-a-blast/
So apparently the defendant, Shinobu, is Kokone's childhood friend.
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but Phoenix’s finger doesn’t point out of the screen.
*facepalm* as if that's even possible given the way the 3DS works. Way to go.
As for the rest of the article, there are some interesting details in there. I didn't realize that those emotion icons were part of the Heart Scope, for example. I thought it was part of the UI to choose what they should be emoting or something.
Hmm... that system actually sounds a bit like L.A. Noire if the game had just stated what people's faces were telling. Hopefully the system is more in depth than that.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if only the key points of the game had voice acting. Many games do that, after all.
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nanayon wrote:
Speaking of name puns, what do you think is gonna be Kokone's English name? I bet it's gonna be a heart-based pun, considering her Japanese name.
Damn, I guess she won't be called Artemis Archer (: Ace Attorney) after all.
My new guess: Luna Lovelace. (But she kidney punches anyone who calls her LL.)
Damn, I guess she won't be called Artemis Archer (: Ace Attorney) after all.
My new guess: Luna Lovelace. (But she kidney punches anyone who calls her LL.)
Luna Lovelace could work if they go with a magical angle (sounds a bit like Luna Lovegood from Harry Potter....)
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Also, what do you think how long it'll take till we get to see the TGS Special Court Video they likely prepared for the presentation?
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