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I have a rather oddball question.

Do you think Phoenix Wright is a virgin?

After reading up on his interactions with Dahlia (GS3, case 1), I would have to say "HELL YES". His naivity is absolutely astounding in that case - it's like he's an overgrown child. The fact that he wears that ridiculous sweater... claims that Dollie doesn't poop, and his silly overall childishness in that entire case just leads me to believe that he's never been with a woman, sexually. At least at that point.

Also being a busy law student after that, I wouldn't say he has had much time for women after it. And... I guess he would have woman issues after the Dahlia stuff was over. You know, her trying to kill him and all. So yeah, I think he's never been laid. Or has issues with women, or something like that.

So yeah, what are your opinions on this? Phoenix - virgin, or not? If not, why not? And if so, perhaps you have other ideas/reasons as to why he might be besides what I listed?

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his ignorance of Maya is also a hint.
I think there is also a thing where Mareka flirts with him and he doesn't react. (3-2).
I forgot where I read that.
And, I believe it would be troubling after your ex
Spoiler: 3-5
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tried to kill you and is subsequently executed,
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I think despite his ridiculously lovey-dovey nature with Dahlia, it's hard for me to imagine they didn't fumblingly and awkwardly go all the way. Losing your virginity doesn't have to change you personally, putting your penis in a vagina doesn't magically confer the powers of maturity upon you.
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Lol @ the image of a guy after having sex, suddenly growing a couple more inches in height, and his face gets slimmer etc.

He's evolving! =0
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RyougaSaotome wrote:
Lol @ the image of a guy after having sex, suddenly growing a couple more inches in height, and his face gets slimmer etc.

He's evolving! =0
You should run that to Nintendo for a new Pokemon evolution method. Sexual evolution! You put it in the daycare, make em have an egg with a certain pokemon, take one out and it evolves! :hotti: :beef:

I think Phoenix is as virgin as it gets... :ack: :nick-sweat:
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I have several doujins saying "no".
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I think this topic came up once in the early days of the board... but I can't remember what the consensus was.

I think Phoenix definately hasn't been with anyone since Dahlia. He's obviously not seeing anyone over span of the games (I'm not sure he could even afford to date :B). And before that he was a) probably still getting over it and, b) focusing a whole lot on Edgeworth.

But at the same time, I think a lot of Phoenix's stupidity in 3-1 is played up to the extreme for humor value (I don't really like it, personally. They could have given him a LITTLE credit). So I like to think that, in spite of that, they slept together at some point.

Spoiler: "3-5"
Six years later, Phoenix was still able to claim that he never stopped believing in "Dahlia." Beneath all the silliness and pink sweaters, his feelings for her were genuine. Which doesn't mean they HAD to have slept together, but I think it's more like that they did than they didn't.

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Croik wrote:
(I'm not sure he could even afford to date :B)

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Nick preferred eating hamburgers with his dead boss' sister than dating.....
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(I'm not sure he could even afford to date :B)

See: Hamburgers :B


I bet Maya paid for 'em.

I wouldn't be surprised if she had more money than Phoenix.
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Probably living off of whatever money Morgan might have left her. C'mon, Morgan had to have had some money, I mean, she's not going to take it to jail with her. :beef:

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I've only played the trial version of T&T that they offered at Comic-Con, but my impression from that snippit of the game, combined with the spoilers I've inevitably run into, is that Phoenix was acting naive and goofy for three reasons:

1) He was head-over-heels in love with Dahlia at the time, and love makes you say and do incredibly stupid things
Spoiler: Eh, just in case
2) He's facing murder charges and is probably hella nervous

3) He's sick and might be a tad out of it from whatever he's taking to alleviate that cold

But I think what it really all comes down to is what Croik said:

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I think a lot of Phoenix's stupidity in 3-1 is played up to the extreme for humor value


I never saw him as "inexperienced" with women in either PW:AA or JFA; he didn't seem unnecessarily uncomfortable or awkward around them, at any rate. It's possible he's still a virgin, but I doubt it.
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NO.

Somewhere in the first case, [unless they replaced the line] Phoenix describes his relationship with Dahlia as "really hawt!"

Second, and this was just a joke line, but...

Maya: Nick, roll over!

Phoenix: When this is over, all roll over with you all you want

- JFA, case 3
Phoenix is totally Jewish.
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Daramue wrote:

I bet Maya paid for 'em.

I wouldn't be surprised if she had more money than Phoenix.
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Probably living off of whatever money Morgan might have left her. C'mon, Morgan had to have had some money, I mean, she's not going to take it to jail with her. :beef:


Spoiler: JFA Case 2
Yes, because she would give money to the exact person she wanted to kill ;) I guess Pearl would be pretty rich, though..

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Maya would be pretty loaded right now considering Mia's own assets probably passed on to her (not all of them, though :( ). Maya is also next-of-kin to Pearl, since Pearl's father et al are -toast-. Or if Ayame somehow got out alive, she hasn't made any claim to Morgan's estate. In which case, Maya is BIG PIMPING as the spiritual master of Kurain and also the heir to not just the main family's property, but a branch family's as well.

Still, one wonders how Nick must have felt if Maya was the one feeding and clothing him.

:hobohodo: "...And that's how I became a hobo."
:maya: "But, Nick, you already were a--"
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Kat_Aclysm wrote:
"claims that Dollie doesn't poop..."


He actually said that? xDDD
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1010 wrote:
Kat_Aclysm wrote:
"claims that Dollie doesn't poop..."


He actually said that? xDDD
-dies laughing-


Yes'm.

Spoiler: Turnabout Memories (Sort of.)
I believe it happens during Dahila's testimony regarding Diego (Souryuu) being poisoned in the courthouse. She says that she left the table for a few minutes and when pressed, Mia asks if she went to use the bathroom during that time. That's when Phoenix tells Mia that Dolly doesn't 'use the bathroom', or poop as it were. :beef:


(Also, first post. Ya, pro!)
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Phoenix needs a copy of the following book:

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Is it sad that I own that book?

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Kat_Aclysm wrote:
Spoiler: Turnabout Memories (Sort of.)
I believe it happens during Dahila's testimony regarding Diego (Souryuu) being poisoned in the courthouse. She says that she left the table for a few minutes and when pressed, Mia asks if she went to use the bathroom during that time. That's when Phoenix tells Mia that Dolly doesn't 'use the bathroom', or poop as it were. :beef:


(Also, first post. Ya, pro!)


o___0; That's... wow, I can't even find the words. My respect for the translation team just went down a notch. D: Seriously, everyone knows girls use the bathroom more than guys. We have makeup. And hair to check every 10 seconds. And periods.

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You made me laugh really hard and my parents are sleeping. D:
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1010 wrote:
o___0; That's... wow, I can't even find the words. My respect for the translation team just went down a notch. D:


It was in the original too, just so you know. :shoe:
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1010 wrote:
o___0; That's... wow, I can't even find the words. My respect for the translation team just went down a notch. D:


Why? He says it in the original too.

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"But I poop from there!"

"Not right now, you don't."



and that is why "Dollie doesn't poop."
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Croik wrote:
1010 wrote:
o___0; That's... wow, I can't even find the words. My respect for the translation team just went down a notch. D:


It was in the original too, just so you know. :shoe:


o_o Seriously?
But someone translated the first case and I don't remember seeing that...
Oh wait.
You were kidding, right? x___X; -is tired-
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"But I poop from there!"

"Not right now, you don't."



and that is why "Dollie doesn't poop."

Then Phoenix is DEFINITELY not a virgin.
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No, that was definitely in the original. Seriously, we're not kidding. :P Just because the fan-translator didn't do it, doesn't mean it wasn't there.
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The fan translator didn't say that specifially, with GS3 case 1. But in the fan translation, Phoenix still said that Dolly doesn't go to the toilet.

It obviously got changed for the official bit.
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I've seen that book before.

Oh man that quote

Poop reminds me of this lolcat, heh.
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Kat_Aclysm wrote:
The fan translator didn't say that specifially, with GS3 case 1. But in the fan translation, Phoenix still said that Dolly doesn't go to the toilet.

It obviously got changed for the official bit.


-runs off to watch fan translation- I know someone put it on youtube, in, like, a million parts...

And even so, saying Dolly doesn't use the toilet is a lot more mature sounding than "doesn't poop." Even though young Nick is really immature, I'm 14 and I don't say "poop" anymore... and he's in college.


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I can just see what happened at Fey and Co. when they started to reminisce one night :

:mia: Hey Phoenix, do you remember back when we first met and you tried to convince the court that women don't poop?

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1010 wrote:
Kat_Aclysm wrote:
The fan translator didn't say that specifially, with GS3 case 1. But in the fan translation, Phoenix still said that Dolly doesn't go to the toilet.

It obviously got changed for the official bit.


-runs off to watch fan translation- I know someone put it on youtube, in, like, a million parts...

And even so, saying Dolly doesn't use the toilet is a lot more mature sounding than "doesn't poop." Even though young Nick is really immature, I'm 14 and I don't say "poop" anymore... and he's in college.

There is even a joke later on in the case...
Spoiler: minor spoiler
... Where he claims to be the most mature of his group of friends. Mia basically reacts with a shocked "What are his friends like!?"

His silliness is played up quite heavily in the text and art. He's hardly someone going to art school and doing law at the side, from the way he acts (cause law is seriously tough! Although from the way he acts in court at times, maybe he wasn't so serious about it :nick-sweat: ). Basically, he is the traditional over-the-top comedic relief in the tutorial case, since there's nothing funny about Dahlia.

1010 wrote:
UNRELATED - HOLY CRAP THE GODOT IN THE BACKGROUND SCARED ME o___o; JUST NOTICED THAT

:godot: I thought it was awesome, too. Very cheeky!
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His silliness is played up quite heavily in the text and art. He's hardly someone going to art school and doing law at the side, from the way he acts (cause law is seriously tough! Although from the way he acts in court at times, maybe he wasn't so serious about it :nick-sweat: ).


My sisters b'f did Law at university, qualified as a solicitor and now works in a magistrate as the kind of legal advisor during sessions.

He's a nutcase, as silly or perhaps even sillier than how Phoenix is portrayed. I'm not even kidding. Granted, its not exactly the same as being the defense or prosecution, but he still work in a courtroom 90% of the time.

ON TOPIC! Phoenix is so not a virgin, 'cause this one time at Lawyer camp...
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ROFLMAO. He actually believed girls don't use the restroom!? And this is the same guy who later became a lawyer...? :meekins:

On topic... Yeah, I guess it's safe to assume he's a virgin, unless he and Dahlia did do the horizontal tango but it turned out like that scene "Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story"... (5 seconds of sex + 30 minutes of crying)

A better question would be, "Is Mia a virgin?". I can't help but wonder, what with her

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dating Diego and everything. Not to mention the whole "Milkshake" quote she made...

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A better question would be, "Is Mia a virgin?". I can't help but wonder, what with her

Spoiler: Spoilers for... Later in the game
dating Diego and everything. Not to mention the whole "Milkshake" quote she made...


I can't imagine someone looking like that being a virgin. xD I'm sure her and Kaminogi/Deigo (ROFL GO DEIGO GO) went pretty far. xP
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I should delete this... It was too naughty.
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This is DIEGO we're talking about. If Mia did happen to be a virgin before she met him, there's no way in hell she stayed that way. XD


...So who want's to bet Ron was a virgin before he met Dessie? XD
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Oh, definitely. Dessie had to coax him into bed :P
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Oh, definitely. Dessie had to coax him into bed :P


And then it lasted 5 seconds and Dessie had to comfort him while he cried.
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Darn I messed up again...
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Diego Armando + Mia Fey = HE SHOOTS HE SCORES!

I dunno about you guys, but rather than ask Phoenix if he's a virgin, why not ask the nun Iris ;)? Would she actually go through with it?
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Princess Xanax wrote:
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Oh, definitely. Dessie had to coax him into bed :P


And then it lasted 5 seconds and Dessie had to comfort him while he cried.

Didn't she say that he was better than he looked? Or did I just imagine that? :redd:

And Iris ain't a real nun, anyway. Not in the chastity sense... [EDIT--spoiler removed]


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