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{CI}Jackie Estacado wrote:
I propose the following: the character's sexuality is at the whim of the author. That way, we won't need to argue about "OH HE'S GAY!" "NO, HE'S STRAIGHT!" "NO, HE'S ATTRACTED TO HIS CAT!", people who think Larry and Edgeworth are gay and Adrian is straight can go their merry ways, and Pearl/Trucy will make that much more sense.
And yes, I like to practice random acts of shipping. Is there any problem in that?
And yes, I like to practice random acts of shipping. Is there any problem in that?
Having written Morgan/Oldbag, it would be hypocritical of me to not condone random acts of shipping.
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You're right, Edgey's one reaction is to Phoenix, and I'm right there with you on the "Edgeworth <3s Nick" angle. I don't, however, feel that this is indicative of overall sexuality. I really do see both the Von Karma siblings as tending more towards the neutral/asexual than anything else; their career hasn't left much time for anything else (in my headcanon). Of course, individual people are exceptions--Phoenix for Edgeworth, Adrian for Franziska.
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You know, I might be wrong, but being able to love someone without it conforming to their sexuality (and so without being conventionally attracted to them)- does it have a name? Pansexual or something?
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The best any of us can do is state how we got to the opinions we have, so no one here should feel like anyone is forcing "canon" facts on them. 'kay? :D
Back to the discussion at hand, I don't think Apollo gives enough in GS4 to really delve into his sexuality. I don't remember him having any embarrassed reactions to any of the women... even Makoto, who's cute as a button <3. But he doesn't show much of an emotional attachment to any of the guys, either. Not romantically, anyway. Need to see more of him.
Klavier, on the other hand, obviously likes flirting with girls. But I'm pretty sure at one point he says...
Spoiler: Not a spoiler, but I'm cutting it anyway
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Aevitas wrote:
This is my take on those things:
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Lyssie wrote:
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This is my take on those things:
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It would be pretty stupid to argue that Edgeworth only cares about Maya for Phoenix's sake, in my opinion - it's pretty clear to me at least that he cares about her for her sake. He's grateful to her, and seems as fond of her as a person as she is of him. But it's also pretty clearly a platonic sort of affection. I don't think Edgeworth's relationship with Maya can be used as an argument either way on Phoenix/Edgeworth or Edgeworth's sexuality.[/spoiler]
I agree on your point... I believe he's fond of Maya just because it's what happens when you spend time with people. I only brought it up because lots of arguments were stating that he doesn't show any affection toward women or show any interest in them and whatnot. I merely interpreted the term "affection" as a "gesture of kindness" if you will. If one wanted to argue that he didn't show romantic interest in anyone, well.. neither did a lot of characters in this game, and their sexuality isn't questioned nearly as much as Edgeworth's. People who are more reserved in how they express their emotions doesn't necessarily swing their sexuality one way or the other.
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Croik wrote:
Back to the discussion at hand, I don't think Apollo gives enough in GS4 to really delve into his sexuality. I don't remember him having any embarrassed reactions to any of the women... even Makoto, who's cute as a button <3.
Spoiler: GS4
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Klavier, on the other hand, obviously likes flirting with girls. But I'm pretty sure at one point he says...
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Well, we know for a fact that he's not straight.
I dunno. I just don't see him as really being attracted to people who aren't Phoenix Wright. He's Phoenixsexual as Franziska is Adriansexual.
I dunno. I just don't see him as really being attracted to people who aren't Phoenix Wright. He's Phoenixsexual as Franziska is Adriansexual.
Well when I write him, he's a gay man, he's aware of it, and he has been since his early teens. He's not Phoenixsexual, he's homosexual. In fact he is attracted/remembers being attracted to/having sexual encounters with other men apart from Phoenix more than once in stories I have written. I've never viewed him as clueless about sex or unable to obtain it for himself. Emotional attachments/attractions - well that's another kettle of fish entirely - he has ... issues, shall we say
It's what I took away from the game when I started considering his character at great length (and probably to unhealthy degrees in an attempt to write from his POV which we see little of in the games). I made decisions on his character over a period of time based on what I feel is most likely from the games. I've never written him any other way and not sure I could now!
That's only *my* interpretation of the character though, which is no doubt coloured by my own experiences, my acquaintance, and my literary/movie/pop culture tastes - just like everyone else's is. It's not a case of "oh I want him to be gay" - if he'd not felt that way to me I would have happily written him as something else or written something else entirely. PW is the only fandom I am at all engaged in so it's not like I have a habit of going round looking for people to pair up in games and so forth - LOL! I just interpret and write the characters as they strike me from the games *shrug*.
I think there are plenty of other interpretations that are just as valid, depending on how you read events and text in the games - which is why I rarely argue the point
people either like my Edgeworth, or they don't. He's unique, but then so should everyone's reinterpretation of a character be, as it's as much about what you bring to it as what you take away.
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I agree with this. Also, when I replayed JFA, Edgeworth called Adrian at one point a "fragile beauty." This says to me, that he does admire certain qualities in women, but they're just not explicitly what a lot of guys would look for right off the bat. He could've used a lot of other words to describe her ('witness', 'woman', more objective terms), but he chose "beauty" instead. Guys swoon over Dahlia, April, etc. for obvious reasons, but Edgeworth seems like the kind of person who looks for deeper reasons to show appreciation toward the opposite sex.
He refers to Fran as a "wild mare".
He could have used lots of other words to describe her as well, and I'm not sure "wild mare" shows much of an appreciation. It's a good job he didn't say it to her face.
I tend to think his turn of phrase is poetic/gothic lit sometimes ("Melodrama is me! WOES!") but that's not related to his sexuality. Possibly a misspent youth reading forbidden books in the Von Karma library as Franziska is equally overdramatic.
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The Doctor wrote:
I think Kirihito's straight. And not just because it would screw my pairing if he wasn't. He's just a bit....
Spoiler: GS4-4. Oh dear.
I'm not sure anything Kristoph does is the game can really be evidence of one sexuality.
Spoiler: "Still not really a spoiler"
To mousoka: I only brought up that line 'cause it's the only thing Klavier has to say on the sexuality issue that doesn't have to do with him teasing girls. He just spends so much more time flirting with women and not flirting with guys that the only indication he might be anything but straight is the fact that he's a rockstar.
Not that I'm against Klavier being bi, I'm just not sure the game supports it as much as it does, say, Edgeworth.
Though...GS4 has been featured in B's Log a lot......
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To mousoka: I only brought up that line 'cause it's the only thing Klavier has to say on the sexuality issue that doesn't have to do with him teasing girls. He just spends so much more time flirting with women and not flirting with guys that the only indication he might be anything but straight is the fact that he's a rockstar.
Well, let's actually break this down. (It's not because he's a "rock star" it's just...how I read him. If he was a librarian that acted the same way, I'd peg him as bi too)
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In any case, I'm really interested to see what kind of role Klavier will have in GS5, and if he and Apollo will have more chances to interact. There's still a lot about him we don't know.
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Honestly, I just don't care what the video-game character's preference is. Give them the benefit of the doubt, make them be whatever you want if it isn't said by the game maker, whatever works for ya! With the exception of Armstrong, I am pretty sure everyone is relatively straight, just not as easy to read at time than others.
I blame overly-imaginative fans for the ideas that some of the characters are Homo/Bi/etc.sexual. If fans never thought it up, it would never have become such a big question as it is now.
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It really doesn't matter in the end who's attracted to who. That's up to the writers and the creators.
Not anymore, anyways. Nowadays, the PW cast are whatever the next guy or girl who plays wants them to be. I still feel, like you said, it's up to the writers, and knowing them, any suspicions of deviant affiliation were not their doing. I still think it has been imagined by the players.
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Not anymore, anyways. Nowadays, the PW cast are whatever the next guy or girl who plays wants them to be.
Er - yeah. How is that a bad thing? That's what paintings and books and movies and TV are for. We all fill in the blanks and we enjoy them because it helps to shed light on our own lives. Filling in the blanks is part of the experience and what enhances it for the audience.
As long as people respect other opinions according to how personal experience plays into the interpretation then it's all good.
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Hm, well Klavier is certainly a teaser, but I never thought that his teasing Apollo was especially "flirty". Er...maybe a little flirty, but not more flirty than he normally is to everyone (who isn't Kristoph or Daian, for the obvious reasons).
Now you're just confusing me! So, if Klavier is relatively flirty and teasy with everyone...wouldn't that sort of imply what I've been saying is true? The only person he really singles out for special charming treatment is Trucy, and that's her as a fan. (Or so I'd like to think--hitting on a little girl nine years his junior is slightly bleeegh) Otherwise his "teasy-flirty" personality doesn't really have gender barriers.
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I'm sure he'd give the manner some thought if a guy came on to him, but I'm not sure I can see him seeking other guys out.
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Now you're just confusing me! So, if Klavier is relatively flirty and teasy with everyone...wouldn't that sort of imply what I've been saying is true? The only person he really singles out for special charming treatment is Trucy, and that's her as a fan. (Or so I'd like to think--hitting on a little girl nine years his junior is slightly bleeegh) Otherwise his "teasy-flirty" personality doesn't really have gender barriers.
I guess I see it more as a personality quirk than an expression of his sexuality. As a rockstar he's probably used to a whole lot of things (The Gavinners are all male, after all. I wonder if Klavier's found slash fic about himself....
). There's barely anything in the game that throws him off his stride, let alone the idea of a male fan. That's why I can't really judge one semi-flirting comment in Apollo's direction as any indication of actual sexual preference, especially when he lays it on thicker with women. It's just how he is.And Insho - this thread is for people to speculate about what they think the character's sexualities are. If you're not interested in this activity, you don't have to be here. No one is forcing canon on anyone. Coming in here to tell us the thread is pointless makes you the off topic one, 'kay?
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Croik wrote:
especially when he lays it on thicker with women.
Howso? Again, the only one I remember him really laying it on thick with was Trucy. He didn't really flirt with Ema at all, or any of the witnesses that I can recall... It's been a while since I've played, though, maybe I just missed or misread?
I'm not trying to be difficult, it's just interesting that our mental images seem to be so different.
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The only other thing I can think of he did tease Ema somewhat in 4-3, when she was on the stand.
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But with Apollo, he delivers one "Haha, not used to guys checking me out!" line and then promptly ignores Apollo in favor of Trucy for the rest of that scene. It lends much better to "Klavier likes teasing people" than "Klavier swings both ways." At least, that's how I see it.
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{CI}Jackie Estacado wrote:
I propose the following: the character's sexuality is at the whim of the author. That way, we won't need to argue about "OH HE'S GAY!" "NO, HE'S STRAIGHT!" "NO, HE'S ATTRACTED TO HIS CAT!", people who think Larry and Edgeworth are gay and Adrian is straight can go their merry ways, and Pearl/Trucy will make that much more sense.
I concur entirely. Sexuality is avoided almost completely in the series, and probably for a good reason (or at least to good ends). It's a lot more interesting to guess and postulate than it is to have it be entirely clear on every facet of each character.
EDIT> On second thought, maybe it's not completely avoided, but I'd say it's not the main motivation in the actions of most characters. There's a much wider spectrum of emotions rather than just love and lust, all of which have a tremendous amount of power over people. For example, I'd say that most of Edgeworth's behaviors and attitudes are dictated mainly by the death of his father, his upbringing under Von Karma, his love for law and professionalism, and so on, rather than every single miniscule line of dialogue being a hint at his undying man-love for Phoenix. I'd also say that Adrian's dependency is probably more related to her low self-esteem rather than a sexual need. But that's just me.
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I concur entirely. Sexuality is avoided almost completely in the series, and probably for a good reason (or at least to good ends). It's a lot more interesting to guess and postulate than it is to have it be entirely clear on every facet of each character... On second thought, maybe it's not completely avoided, but I'd say it's not the main motivation in the actions of most characters.
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Not the main motivations of *some* characters. But romance and sexuality play many roles in the series, and if you think otherwise, you must only be think of "sexualities that aren't straight."
1-1: Larry's jealousy over his girlfriend seeing other women was the motive the prosecution gave in his case.
1-2: April flirts openly and uses her body to her advantage.
1-5: Angel talks often about her many many boyfriends (not her main motivation, but certainly played up)
2-3: Everyone fighting for Regina's affection caused the accident that was the focus of the entire case.
2-4: The romantic interplay between Matt, Celeste, and Juan was the cause of that case, too.
3-1: Being in love with Dollie turned Phoenix into an idiot.
3-2: Ron's love for his wife provided the basis for the case.
3-3: Gumshoe's attraction to Maggey, and Viola to Tigre, was the bases for THAT case. Plus, Armstrong is openly very gay.
3-4: Terry's love for Dahlia was the basis for HIS case, and was saturated with Diego hitting on Mia.
3-5: Blah spoilers etc, if you played the case you know exactly how much of a role romance played.
And there's some in GS4, too, but I won't talk about that here. But seduction, love, and jealousy are big factors in those cases, too.
So really, sexuality is at the center of many of AA's biggest cases. I think it's a very worth topic for discussion.
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