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Alot of people before GS4 was released were really excited about the new gameplay, the new characters, and yet many people I've talked to have given the game negative feedback, calling it the worst in the series. See my topic on Gamefaqs where I more or less asked the same question.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmes ... 433&page=5

I'm asking hear becasue this is a major PW/GS fan site and a sizeable amount of people here have imported and beaten GS4 and more or less understand what happened. Alot of what I heard is that
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This guy Hobohodo is the problem and his over impact on the story


Also about the whole "Famitsu gave it a 36/40 so it has to be awesome", in more recent years I have begun to question some of Famitsu's scores, I do not beleve they are as tough as they were many years ago.
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Eh, make your own decision when you sit down and play the game.
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Eh, make your own decision when you sit down and play the game.

That won't happen till an english version comes out for me Payne
I know that my own opinion is the most important element, but I'm asking overall to the GS/PW community, would this be the low point or black sheep of the series?
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I personally enjoyed GS4, even though I mainly played it for sprite ripping purposes. The game is very vibrant and the characters (from what I can tell) seem fairly interesting.

I even liked Kyouya, unlike most people.
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I actually liked Kyouya and I understand his character and why he is the way he is
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People complain that he is too kind, but he is supposed to foil for his brothers character, who is, to put it nicely, ****ing insane :)
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Wait, shit - Gamefaqs don't like it?! Oh my stars, it's not like the forums on there are known to be absolutely full of morons or anything.
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Nicely? The guy goes frickin' Super Saiyan for his freakout.

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The investigation parts are actually more fun too. To be honest, I always thought the investigations in 1-3 were boring because they just followed the same search>examine>psych lock format. There's quite alot of fun things to do in the game.

My only gripe was no poker mini game, considering how popular poker's gotten in the past few years. I guess capcom didn't want to take away sales of their Gyakuten Saiban Poker on cell phones.
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Wait, shit - Gamefaqs don't like it?! Oh my stars, it's not like the forums on there are known to be absolutely full of morons or anything.

My sarcasim detector just went off Godot .

I guess my issue is 4chan or w/e its called, I've never heard of it but alot of people there are whining about GS4.

Oh and
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BassForever wrote:
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Wait, shit - Gamefaqs don't like it?! Oh my stars, it's not like the forums on there are known to be absolutely full of morons or anything.

My sarcasim detector just went off Godot .

I guess my issue is 4chan or w/e its called, I've never heard of it but alot of people there are whining about GS4.


Ditto for 4chan, too. At the end of the day, people are complaining that Phoenix is taking up too much of the spotlight - these people don't have a clue what they are talking about, look at PW1. More specifically, look at all of the amazing character development Phoenix gets in that game. We don't learn anything about Phoenix' past until GS3, he doesn't advance as a character until the second game, I see no reason why it'll be any different here with Odoroki.

I pretty much hate every single forum out there, though. Yanni Yogi
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I pretty much hate every single forum out there, though. Yanni Yogi

So you hate this site as well Beef

Oh well, so 4chan is basically like Gamefaqs but in a different language?
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You've obviously never been to 4chan.

Take a tip and don't.
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BassForever wrote:
Danbo Daxter wrote:
I pretty much hate every single forum out there, though. Yanni Yogi

So you hate this site as well Beef

Oh well, so 4chan is basically like Gamefaqs but in a different language?


I'm only here for the emoticons, Bass. Kyle Hyde
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Advice taken.
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rofl, /v/ hates everything. Don't worry too much with what 4chan says.
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I hate the people that say Phoenix stol Orodooki's thuinder in this game. To reiterate what soemone on this forum said(I htink it was you Guess_Who) : We found out practiaclly nothing in the first three games about Phoenix. Edgey stole it in the first game, the Feys, Godot, adn That Bitch stole it in the third. The second? Well, I guess taht had more Nick-base in it, but I'm willing to lend on a dual steal by Edge & Fran. And Pearls-but shes too cute and gets away with it.
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I haven't played cases 3 and 4 yet, but so far I'm really enjoying it. The first case was amazingly tense, and case 2 is just...bizarre. Wacky, and endearing, and just plain fun. The new investigation things haven't grown on me yet, because so far everything is so scripted--I don't like having my hand held through the whole process. But I guess it'll be more free later...?

Anyway, I love Odoroki. Kyouya hasn't done much yet but I love him, too. I even love Takita. And I know a lot of people are mad about Phoenix's change, but I love him, too! I think I laughed out loud playing case 2 more than in the other games. There was one part in the first case that even made me jump a little.

Of course, I hear the last case is insane, so my overall opinion will have to wait. But so far, I've enjoyed it.
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The prevailing sentiment I've heard from people I know who've played it (and 2ch's Japanese fans) isn't so much that Phoenix overshadows the game (which he does), but that it seems to just spit in the face of the first three regarding the complex sets of character relationships and ties that GS1-3 built up.

And, without getting too spoilery, I mostly agree.
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You've obviously never been to 4chan.

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4chan is the scum of the intarweb.

2ch (where most of the criticism I've seen comes from) is a japanese message board that's not nearly as bad. Then again, not much is as bad as 4chan >.>
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I think most people would agree that 4 is the weakest part of the series, and that the main character change didn't work too well. So people who were execting the best GS evar will be disappointed. Doesn't mean it's bad per se.
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So are the even GS games weaker then the odd ones? I've heard people say 2 is the weakest of the original trilogy and that four now is the weakest in the series (still better then alot of other crap out there).
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case 2 is just...bizarre. Wacky, and endearing, and just plain fun.


I absolutely loved case two. Loved, loved, loved. (Raelle and Funk were there when I finished, you can ask them Sal ) Even if it cemented my strong dislike of Minuki, got me started on my irritation with Ema, and made me so frustrated with
Spoiler: capsing, minor spoiler for 4-2
THE GAME NOT LETTING ME FIGURE OUT THE CASE FOR MYSELF SERIOUSLY GUYS I'M THE DAMN LAWYER HERE I DON'T NEED THE PROSECUTOR AND THE IRRITATING LITTLE GIRL TO HOLD MY HAND THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING.


But the plot itself? Pure loove. Odoroki is just...god, my love for him cannot be contained. He's sort of a Phoenix-clone, but the game shits all over him so constantly I just want to HUG him. And Kyouya.

I swear, this game. I really wish I could love it. If it was the first one I ever played, I would have, but unfortunately, I did play the first three.
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I was really irritated with Minuki with what she pulled in court (GAHFGHEHEGHUR@!!!!!) but it ended up being one of my favorite parts just because...

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When Odoroki bursts into the lobby and is relieved to see Minuki, she says, "Oh no, don't cry!" The thought of Odoroki in TEARS because he was so worried and angry just makes me wibble. Wibble wibble wibble.

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I was really irritated with Minuki with what she pulled in court (GAHFGHEHEGHUR@!!!!!) but it ended up being one of my favorite parts just because...


Hah! That was the part that cemented me as disliking Minuki forever more, but, at the same time, made me love Odoroki and Kyouya to death.
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I was torn between wanting her to get kicked out of the courtroom for the rest of the trial, but Kyouya's way of smoothing things over just put a HUGE GRIN on my face, so...yeah.

Minuki = SUCK. Kyouya and Odoroki = WIN.

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I'm afraid to ask, but what is wibble?
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Um....I guess "to wibble" = "to go awwwwwwwww" ...?
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We found out practiaclly nothing in the first three games about Phoenix.


And, again, that's just plain incorrect. In the very first game we at least learned about his motivations, and why he became a lawyer. The second game was almost entirely Phoenix-centric in terms of development. The third game was also Phoenix-and-Fey centric.

Spoiler: SPOILERS for GS4 in its entirety
But even in the beginning the first game Phoenix had his own friends; people connected directly to him. In GS4? Minuki is introduced to you because of Phoenix--even though she's your sister. Kyouya also ties back to Phoenix, as he was the one that got his badge revoked. Ema? Only helps you because you know Phoenix. Your mentor? Phoenix, Phoenix, Phoenix. LAST CASE? Phoenix.

We don't even know WHY Odoroki became a lawyer, unless I missed it somewhere. That should be the bare minimum for the first game to explore with the main character. I love Odoroki to death, and I feel like he got majorly shafted.

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...One thing I don't get is the huge fuss over 'OMG Y DUN WE NO Y ODOROKI'S A LAWYER!1!1!!!1shift+1'. Is it so hard to believe someone picked a career choice simply because that's what they wanted to be? >_>
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Is it so hard to believe someone picked a career choice simply because that's what they wanted to be? >_>


No, but it would have been nice to have some background into that. Even if it was a simple "I always wanted to be a lawyer". Plus, please don't make it sound like that was my only issue with the lack of focus on Odoroki's development.
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I wasn't trying to. I s'pose it'd be nice, but still, I guess all the drama involving GS1-3 and why people are lawyers (Phoenix, Edgeworth, Franziska, Godot...) just sort of got people wondering for Odoroki.

Sorry if I kind of snapped.
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Spoiler: bit in depth on Odoroki, so I put it under the tag
Odoroki has nothing. No motivations, no background, no relevant personality. Every line of his could be by Naruhodou, expect that he uses Ore instead of Boku. They advertised him with this "passionate heart BURNING RED" tagline, so I would have expected to see at least some personality that significantly differs from Naruhodou's.
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No offense, but...I don't agree with that at all, Ryu-kun! In so much as "Odoroki is a Phoenix clone." There's no drastic difference but so far I think Odoroki is pretty distinctive. Or at least, distinctive enough in the role both of them are forced to play.

After all, Phoenix never stayed up until 5am practicing his objection Redd White
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If there's something really weak about the game, it's definitely the music as a whole.

I like the majority of the courtroom themes, but most of the music outside of it is just "ok" and nothing really worth putting on your ipod. Some tunes even sound like they belong in Megaman X (considering the music in the games have been done by the MMX composers). The music has always been one of my favorite aspects of the series since it's so well done in terms of new-school game music. It just isn't that great in GS4. Sadshoe
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After all, Phoenix never stayed up until 5am practicing his objection Redd White

Yes, and he also doesn't have this obession with the color red. But that's nearly all, really. Personally, I miss a distinctivly new feel about the main character. If that was the only problem it wouldn't matter at all, but it just fits in with the feel that the attempt to start an all-new chapter with the game went totally wrong.
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I also wish we had a reason for why Odoroki became a defense attourney, is it ever said he wanted to be one? Or does he just pop up one day and defends Phoenix?
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Eh, I'm fine so far with Odoroki. If anything, he can at least get ultra development in the next two games, if it's that big of a deal. I'm basically where Croik is and so far, the game's great.

I hope the fourth case isn't as insane as everyone's been saying, though.
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Eh, I'm fine so far with Odoroki. If anything, he can at least get ultra development in the next two games, if it's that big of a deal. I'm basically where Croik is and so far, the game's great.


I'm guessing that this is what is going to happen. The crew probably figured : "We don't have to tell them a lot about Odoroki because we have to deal with Phoenix, and Odoroki can have ultramajordevelopments in GS5."

A bit lame, but I'll be playing it because it sounds awesome regardless of Phoenix stealing the thunder.
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Odoroki is similar to Phoenix. Disappointingly similar in some aspects. But I think he has his own charm as a character.

Spoiler: 4-1
Phoenix never punched a defendent, after all. Even if, as 2ch mocked, that was really the only really hot blooded thing he did.

I think Odoroki is harder working, and more earnest than Phoenix.

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I'm guessing that this is what is going to happen. The crew probably figured : "We don't have to tell them a lot about Odoroki because we have to deal with Phoenix, and Odoroki can have ultramajordevelopments in GS5."

Here is my problem with this. This game should have been "Phoenix is a part of Odoroki's story". Instead, it comes across as "Odoroki is a part of Phoenix's story". And that's not fair to Odoroki as a main. The game could have dealt with Phoenix's story while still allowing Odoroki to be the one everything centered around.
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Odoroki is similar to Phoenix. Disappointingly similar in some aspects. But I think he has his own charm as a character. I think Odoroki is harder working, and more earnest than Phoenix.


I think you're right about that part - Odoroki does seem more eager to please, if nothing else, and a bit more emotional as well. Sure he's not brand spanking new but he's pretty much exactly how I expected him to be, in most ways, so I'm not disappointed. If he was completely different on top of Phoenix being completely different, the entire voice of the series would be changed, and I don't think that would please the fans any more.
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