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However now, in the latest one all the previous CO's are dead and half of the roster of CO's you gain seem to end up dead anyway. I realise that AW is trying to portray a darker gritty image of war and it does that but I'm not sure whether it's better or worse than how it was before especially with the new CO zone system.
Though maybe I just miss Max Eagle and Kanbei
maybe they took it too far with the gritty realism.(Please bear in mind I've not finished it, I'm on stage 25 so spoiler tags if nessecary)
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I agree, it's a lot more different than the others. However, war's not fun in reality. I guess they decided to take it more seriously. Yes, some of the charm is gone, but the story's kinda well developed in this one.
Yet, I miss Andy and the others...
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Hehe the irony, the new black hole folks expected Hawke to come back at the end of Dual Strike.
I miss the ultimate power of tag team CO powers
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Also, I was stuck for the longest time on Waylon flies again....Then my brothers beat it in 10 minutes.....Then I beat the final stage in 5!!! HA!!! Man...I can't believe if you have the right strategy you can beat the final stage in a really short time.
I do not view this game as a let down at all. It was very good but a rather radical change from the old games in term of story and art.
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Game Over wrote:
Ah...The Game was great but I do miss the old cast. I do hope the next game will go back to the old crew.
Why not a crossover?
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as a let down at all. It was very good but a rather radical change from
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as a let down at all. It was very good but a rather radical change from
the old games in term of story and art.
Exactly my point. Like Zelda 2 on NES, it's different, but good!
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SNK wrote:
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Ah...The Game was great but I do miss the old cast. I do hope the next game will go back to the old crew.
Why not a crossover?
Awesome idea. But rather odd to see them together...But great!
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Oh, did I mention that the AWDC soundtrack kicks ass?
So I play AWDC and AW2 and both games are very awesome and that way, I don't miss the old characters that much.
I'm just wondering how the next installment will be - I'm not even sure if it will be a direct sequel.
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Some of the missions seem harder to me, like more than once I've started a mission, saw how ridiculously outnumbered I am and been like.
Screw this I'll do it later.
Also while having CO's in the field is awesome I think their powers are pretty unusual, Sigismundo in particular strikes me as a relatively useless CO and Carter (despite not having a power) is my favourite guy.
A crossover while amusing would be ridiculous I mean everyone is dead ugh...a solid shame still the new CO's are alright.
Though I agree with you Perrydotto, Jake is an ass and some of the new CO's weren't that great but they had Javier, who I was hoping would get a new game.
Still theres plenty scope for a sequel I think after all the world has been ruined, they can still rise up there might be other CO's who have survived and a big land war can begin!
Hopefully it'll be like some of the past CO's maybe survived the storm as well if there is a sequel Nell was lucky she might
But yeah thats a solid point Ashxu. I found it weird how in a time of destruction and anniahlation there's massive cities and everything and enough resources and funds to build massive armies yet they cannot focus on rebuilding society?
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Most of the complaints are about how the old cast has been dropped. I personally don't think that's a fair complaint. I mean, the series is known as Famicom Wars in Japan, and the cast was 'very' different from what we were introduced to in Advance Wars on the GBA.
And part of making new games is keeping it fresh. Do you 'really' want to have the Recover 3 HP as your starter move from Title 1 to title 50? Or would it be more interesting to have a different skill set? Or maybe introduce that skill later. People are going to pick the title up in the store and if they see the gameplay identical to what they saw last time a title in the series came out they're going to be disinterested because they already have a title where the same things were done, perhaps in a different story.
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The new characters were fairly charmless, but after seeing the original gang 3 times I was getting a bit tired of them.
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Now Sigismundo was useless!
Fire Emblem is a very good series but...I don't get how you mean they tried to make Dark Conflict like it. Maybe by making you want to keep them alive more because they level up?
One thing I think they should do for the next one is introduce a medic/engineer unit thats infantry but can heal/repair other units. I've always felt infantry have went overlooked in AW still the darker gritty look works considering the setting still I'm surprised Black Hole never picked up on a genius like Stolos with his own military force.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Lin wasn't that useless was she? Her troops got a general boost
Now Sigismundo was useless!
Now Sigismundo was useless!
meh, the problem with Lin is to begin with her zone is the smallest, meaning her power is very slow and hard to charge up, and the power itself is pretty substandard, especially with the introduction of Flares.
Sigismundo is pointless for most maps, but in naval maps he is dominant, whereas there is a better option than Lin in every map.
I assume what Minoru meant with trying to be like fire emblem is that the story tried to be serious, talking about how war is wrong and stuff.
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And Tabitha has a smaller CO zone and Lili has a more useless effect.
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They didn't let you utilize CO powers until half-way through the game. Made the game feel incomplete. I mean, going against Forsythe, (one of the best chapters in the game), and no CO zone? Lame.
I would have preferred some more missions (It's only after Mission 10 does the game feel like a proper campaign), and although the story is cool in parts (Brenner, Lin, Greyfield&Waylon, and IDS), other parts were just yeck (WHERETHERESLIFETHERESHOPEWHERETHERESLIFETHERESHOPE got old after chapter 3).
The later missions were fantastic (some of the best in the series, although AW2 has the distinction of having personally the best campaign)
Caulder made up for the failure that was VonBolt (more like VonBitch).
The COs were the best and most well-rounded of the bunch (Penny's my favorite, although she can be cheap), and I loved the WiFi and overhauled system.
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Great game, and only one thing bugged me:
They didn't let you utilize CO powers until half-way through the game. Made the game feel incomplete. I mean, going against Forsythe, (one of the best chapters in the game), and no CO zone? Lame.
I would have preferred some more missions (It's only after Mission 10 does the game feel like a proper campaign), and although the story is cool in parts (Brenner, Lin, Greyfield&Waylon, and IDS), other parts were just yeck (WHERETHERESLIFETHERESHOPEWHERETHERESLIFETHERESHOPE got old after chapter 3).
The later missions were fantastic (some of the best in the series, although AW2 has the distinction of having personally the best campaign)
Caulder made up for the failure that was VonBolt (more like VonBitch).
The COs were the best and most well-rounded of the bunch (Penny's my favorite, although she can be cheap), and I loved the WiFi and overhauled system.
2nd best AW, with AW2 being 1.
They didn't let you utilize CO powers until half-way through the game. Made the game feel incomplete. I mean, going against Forsythe, (one of the best chapters in the game), and no CO zone? Lame.
I would have preferred some more missions (It's only after Mission 10 does the game feel like a proper campaign), and although the story is cool in parts (Brenner, Lin, Greyfield&Waylon, and IDS), other parts were just yeck (WHERETHERESLIFETHERESHOPEWHERETHERESLIFETHERESHOPE got old after chapter 3).
The later missions were fantastic (some of the best in the series, although AW2 has the distinction of having personally the best campaign)
Caulder made up for the failure that was VonBolt (more like VonBitch).
The COs were the best and most well-rounded of the bunch (Penny's my favorite, although she can be cheap), and I loved the WiFi and overhauled system.
2nd best AW, with AW2 being 1.
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I was also a bit disappointed that the CO powers got nerfed so much - It was fine for balancing purposes, but it also took some of the action out.
And it's sweet to see that I'm not the only one who liked AW2 and AWDC as number 1 and 2 of the series; I'm pretty pissed about how overrated AWDS is.
The tag system was fun, but DAMN UNBALANCED, most of the new COs were unimaginative and just thrown in to have more COs and the story was, although it was in its core like the games before, so damn annoying - The added pathos and JAKE DA GANGSTA (I wanted to kill him so badly everytime he opened his mouth ...) were just ... over the top and nothing more than a shameless try of making the series more "hip" ...
And honestly. Von Bolt is one of the LAMEST villains I've ever seen in a video game. Even Wario is cooler than him ...
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Sure, I miss the old cast and the cheery music. In fact, to me, most of the music in AWDoR, except for a select few tunes, were really lackluster. But the gameplay makes up for it, not to mention a campaign story that's full of twists and even uses moral values.
And for the sake of debate, I never thought Lili (Penny?) was useless. Weather for three turns can really cripple enemy armies. she isn't so bad to use even in clear weather just for that power. I personally tried it out against the AI and I liked it, anyway.
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The new battleships I thought were somehow overpowered with the new fire AND move function, even if the firepower is diminished slightly they make absolutely brilliant support units for land-based assaults it seemed too much really.
In addition, the cruisers were satisfying in that they could shoot at a lot more things and carriers producing ship planes? AWESOME!
The new funtion of the APC (mobile construction vehicle) is brilliant it allows for much more strategy and it helps a lot more in an assault when you have an airport onsite just for repairs and resupplying.
I didn't mind the loss of neotanks but what I DID like is how they cut it out and made megatanks cheaper
However the CO powers were horribly crippled....sometimes I feel it a lot more worth it just keeping the power to boost my CO zone as even if you do use it, its a very slight advantage you gain. Thats why I prefer Carter sometimes, he works in any unit, anywhere and affects anything
a real morale booster.
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Still Path of Radience was awesome and...I might be able to shed some light on the FE thing you said.
According to Mei Ling commenting on Marth in Brawl, he was betrayed by a good friend or something.
Never the less its not that much like FE and in it's defense there's very few purely original things anymore.
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Weather effects are a minor inconvenience, not devastating even then after the first time you use it, your troops NOT in the diminished CO zone are affected by the effects of the weather too. Plus I think on many maps the weather doesn't change unless it's set to random.
Hm, I disagree. weather effects might not be totally devastating (nothing really is in DoR/DC besides Caulder and Tabitha) but they're overlooked and rather effective. Rain brings fog of war and decreases vision by one. If you aren't expecting fog, you won't have many recons built and your vision will be really shot. This allows Lili to move her troops around, even forwards, with a less chance of being countered very much on the opponent's next turn. Yes, Lili can only see one more space than the opponent through the fog, but 1) one space can be a lot and 2) the rain starts on her turn, so she can take advantage of the woods/mountains before anyone else can, and no one will know where she moved her units. Basically, use the fog as cover for your advance and break through the enemy lines.
Snow is probably the hardest weather to use to your advantage, but it is still effective. If there's a stalemate at the front lines, snow can help you inch forward and gain ground. since enemy movement is reduced by one, Lili can move one space closer to the enemy without fear of being attacked. you can use this to outmaneuver/outflank the enemy. also really helps air battles; fighters like to stay just barely out of range of enemy fighters. using snow you'd be able to get the ever-important first strike on the fighter. in summary, snow helps because it makes it easier for you to get the first strike on your enemy or outmaneuver them. you can also use the snow to cover your retreat if you're getting beat down on; to stage a "strategic withdrawl." the snow makes your troops harder to chase, and it is easier for you to cover the retreat with indirect units.
sandstorms are the most obvious. what's not to like about the enemy taking a 30% hit in firepower? it's like when kids go to play baseball at the park and a girl comes up to bat. "everyone move in, she's a girl, she hits like a girl!" attack with less fear of the counterattack.
And no, Lili's troops are safe from weather no matter where they are on the map. they don't have to be in the CO zone to recieve that benefit. try it out, it's true. her CO zone is only for the default CO zone attack/defense bonuses and so that a battle one of her units fights 10 squares away from the CO zone won't contribute to CO power meter :P
I'm aware most like to play their VS games with 100% "clear" weather, but in my experience, 3 turns of a weather effect that your own units are immune to is really helpful. even more helpful than 3 HP healed or +2 indirect range.
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and the weather effects I'm talking about are the ones in DoR/DC, not AW1, 2, or DS.
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O_O! I thought Only I did that....Wow! I usually love to set fog in and make a quick attack on my brothers who can't see me and waste money on buying Recons and Flares to find my instead of fortifying! Dang.....Now I want to play again!...
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@Massive post.
Now that you put it that way that does sound kinda effective.
I always assumed Lili's troops never got a stat boost cause it's not listed in her powers but since ALL her troops are immune to weather and...admittedly I forgot what Sandstorms did 30% damage reduction. Still I can see why Lili is worth using now...plus her innocence has a certain charm to it...if only she didn't carry the demonic teddy bear.
Still I generally like to play with random weather, makes it more....interesting...of course it can be horribly unfair should the rain come on for just one part of a day leaving one player without sight while the others can assault him but...thats just how it is. I find 100% clear weather boring so I suppose Lili is quite good....though I'm still surprised she gets a stat boost.
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10% offense and defense comes from Carter's CO bonuses, just like Tabitha has 50/50, Carter has 10/10.
The other 10% offense and defense comes from being in the CO zone, every CO zone has that bonus added on to it.
The reason your units don't seem invincible with 20% defense anymore (in older games, Kanbei's units had 20% more offense and defense, remember how hard they were to kill?) is because they changed how defense is calculated, but I'm not exactly sure how. It might have been that they just added a flat 10% onto defense in older games if someone had +10% defense, and instead made it multiplicative (rather than additive) for DoR/DC, but again, I'm clueless and it's just a guess.
And I like random weather too, but usually it isn't used in more competitive matches, where they use "clear." Though I'm not quite so good to play against the people who play more competitively, so, meh :P
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.I can't play competitively as the wireless signal in my house doesn't work on my DS
Nevermind and it's true that most units aren't invincible anymore (Kanbei was bloody invincible, I teamed him up with COlin for mass production) though just playing as Finn on a 4player map and using his bad company....makes air units almost invincible.
Even if Megatanks aren't the invincible weapons they used to be it makes me value them more, pop them into cities for quick repairs, though I still think there should be an "engineer" unit for on-site repairs plus....well they're cheaper so easier to produce though oddly enough they made infantry more expensive.
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