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Because from what I understand, he is selective in the assassinations that he accepts. He probably investigates his clients fully before deciding whether or not that they are trustworthy. Even with a fake name, he would probably figure out who Edgeworth is and refuse to meet him.
... Which would result in him not knowing that Adrian was female being a contradiction. Obviously, he can't be that thorough if he doesn't even know his client's manager's gender.
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Gumshoe knows perfectly well of the rules in the Detention Center. If that was a rule, he would've taken them back and given them to her otherwise... However, if you present the Jumbo Lunchbox, he says "Oh yeah..." during the conversation, which discusses the fact that people can't accept gifts in Detention.
Obviously Gumshoe doesn't know "perfectly well" or he wouldn't have passed on the lunch to begin with. And even if you say he just forgot, it doesn't change the fact that Maggey is the only one who ever claims that people in detention can't accept items (and she didn't want to accept it anyway). In 1-2 Gumshoe himself gives up Maya's phone so that Phoenix can return to her.
The easiest solution is that either Maggey was just lying/didn't know better, or the fact that Maggey had already been convicted is what prevented her from accepting.
Actually, I kind've said that with the second part of my post... you know, the part I assume you forgot to quote?
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Then again, a LOT of things contradict this, so I guess you have a point...
Things that contradict this:
- Ron DeLite taking the "Letter From Dessie" from Phoenix in 3-2.
- Matt Engarde SOMEHOW managing to get a wine glass into the Detention Center (Which, upon breaking, the shards can be considered a dangerous weapon).
- Maximillian Galactica's cards.
Things that contradict this:
- Ron DeLite taking the "Letter From Dessie" from Phoenix in 3-2.
- Matt Engarde SOMEHOW managing to get a wine glass into the Detention Center (Which, upon breaking, the shards can be considered a dangerous weapon).
- Maximillian Galactica's cards.
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Litral wrote:
His manager's gender isn't much of a concern to an assassin. Shelley only needed to establish trust.
Right. However, if he were to search for info on Engarde, wouldn't a certain rumor come up at least once?
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His manager's gender isn't much of a concern to an assassin. Shelley only needed to establish trust.
Right. However, if he were to search for info on Engarde, wouldn't a certain rumor come up at least once?
Maybe he thought Engarde was liek gai. :P Heh, my argument is certainly falling apart quickly.
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Why does Maya have a mobile phone? You can't get a signal in Kurain... and they just use the phone box.
Was she in Kurain when she was talking on her mob to Mia?
Or maybe Maya is on a decent network and Phoenix is on 3 mobile, hence why he can't get a reception haha
Was just bugging me..... LOL
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Hmm I think this is the right place to mention this;
Why does Maya have a mobile phone? You can't get a signal in Kurain... and they just use the phone box.
Was she in Kurain when she was talking on her mob to Mia?
Or maybe Maya is on a decent network and Phoenix is on 3 mobile, hence why he can't get a reception haha
Was just bugging me..... LOL
Why does Maya have a mobile phone? You can't get a signal in Kurain... and they just use the phone box.
Was she in Kurain when she was talking on her mob to Mia?
Or maybe Maya is on a decent network and Phoenix is on 3 mobile, hence why he can't get a reception haha
Was just bugging me..... LOL
In the first game Maya talks about "getting used to living on her own" so I think you're supposed to assume she was living in the city for at least a while. They made a big deal of it when she finally went back to Kurain after all - it wouldn't have been that dramatic if she had been commuting for every case until then.
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Yeah, but assault is only a few years in prison, not life sentence/death row. Plus, Phoenix doesn't really care about people getting punished, only finding THE TRUTH.
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If Gumshoe loves Maggey so much, why did he wait a month to yell at Phoenix for getting her found guilty? Since he's a detective he would know about that case, and when he heard Maggey was involved, he would have acted right away.
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FirexxxSaber wrote:
Here's another one from Recipe for a Turnabout...
If Gumshoe loves Maggey so much, why did he wait a month to yell at Phoenix for getting her found guilty? Since he's a detective he would know about that case, and when he heard Maggey was involved, he would have acted right away.
If Gumshoe loves Maggey so much, why did he wait a month to yell at Phoenix for getting her found guilty? Since he's a detective he would know about that case, and when he heard Maggey was involved, he would have acted right away.
I wondered about that, too.
He should have found about that earlier just like Phoenix should have been aware that there was an imposter in the midst without the time skip.
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loobywright wrote:
Hmm I think this is the right place to mention this;
Why does Maya have a mobile phone? You can't get a signal in Kurain... and they just use the phone box.
Was she in Kurain when she was talking on her mob to Mia?
Or maybe Maya is on a decent network and Phoenix is on 3 mobile, hence why he can't get a reception haha
Was just bugging me..... LOL
Why does Maya have a mobile phone? You can't get a signal in Kurain... and they just use the phone box.
Was she in Kurain when she was talking on her mob to Mia?
Or maybe Maya is on a decent network and Phoenix is on 3 mobile, hence why he can't get a reception haha
Was just bugging me..... LOL
In the first game Maya talks about "getting used to living on her own" so I think you're supposed to assume she was living in the city for at least a while. They made a big deal of it when she finally went back to Kurain after all - it wouldn't have been that dramatic if she had been commuting for every case until then.
That still doesn't explain how she got the signal.
Unless you're saying that she was already in the city when the call was made.
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That still doesn't explain how she got the signal.
Unless you're saying that she was already in the city when the call was made.
Unless you're saying that she was already in the city when the call was made.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. By the time Mia called in her 1-2 Maya was already living on her own somewhere in the city, so of course she would have a cell phone.
As for Maggey's case, maybe Gumshoe had to wait so long because he was filing an appeal? Is there an amount of time you have to wait before a case can be retried? We don't really know how PW world law works in a case like that since it only comes up once.
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Croik wrote:
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That still doesn't explain how she got the signal.
Unless you're saying that she was already in the city when the call was made.
Unless you're saying that she was already in the city when the call was made.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. By the time Mia called in her 1-2 Maya was already living on her own somewhere in the city, so of course she would have a cell phone.
As for Maggey's case, maybe Gumshoe had to wait so long because he was filing an appeal? Is there an amount of time you have to wait before a case can be retried? We don't really know how PW world law works in a case like that since it only comes up once.
Even if it takes a month to fill an appeal, why would Gumshoe wait a month to storm angrily into Phoenix's office?
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
That still doesn't explain how she got the signal.
Unless you're saying that she was already in the city when the call was made.
Unless you're saying that she was already in the city when the call was made.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. By the time Mia called in her 1-2 Maya was already living on her own somewhere in the city, so of course she would have a cell phone.
As for Maggey's case, maybe Gumshoe had to wait so long because he was filing an appeal? Is there an amount of time you have to wait before a case can be retried? We don't really know how PW world law works in a case like that since it only comes up once.
That can't be it. I remember Gumshoe mentioning once Phoenix somehow easily convinced him that he wasn't there that he was going to then go down to the courthouse to fill out the papers. If he was filling it already, he didn't need to do that.
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That can't be it. I remember Gumshoe mentioning once Phoenix somehow easily convinced him that he wasn't there that he was going to then go down to the courthouse to fill out the papers. If he was filling it already, he didn't need to do that.
Maybe he meant the official "Phoenix is taking the case" papers? Getting him on the docket?
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But, another thing is strange about this, because Gumshoe brought a NEWSPAPER ARTICLE not a Police Document or something. If Gumshoe was looking through the Police Documents and saw Maggey getting convicted of murder, i think he would of brought the Police Document with him. Since he brought a newspaper article, it's probably because he saw it in the article. Why the newspaper article was outdated? Well maybe Gumshoe found the newspaper article on the ground or something. (Gumshoe is too poor to buy Newpaper maybe? Remember he once stated that "I'll be so poor that i won't even be able to buy instant noodles from the discount store!")
Uh... you people are talking about why Gumshoe took so long to yell at Phoenix about the Guilty verdict right?
Another "cough up" is the fact when it's revealed that Phoenix was tricked into using fake evidence (In AJ) he should be able to get his badge back, because he didn't know. Also, when Drew testified that he forged that diary entry, how did Klavier know that Drew forged it? (Since it's forged, Klavier should still be in the dark and would consider it as legit) Also, there was no proof that Drew forged it he just said "hmm yes i forged it".
Sorry if my cough up was already explained, i haven't played AJ for a year now, because it makes me sad. (No, seriously.)
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(Since it's forged, Klavier should still be in the dark and would consider it as legit)
Kristoph told him it was forged.
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Also, there was no proof that Drew forged it he just said "hmm yes i forged it".
This is true, tho xD That got me mad. This is what I wanted...
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Or just maybe Gumshoe was pissed off at Phoenix not getting a not guilty. Because Gumshoe didn't know it wasn't Phoenix that defended Maggey then. Or another thing might be that if Gumshoe WAS at the trial, Gumshoe talked to 'Xin Eohp' and Xin Eohp said "Talk to me next year, i'm busy"? But if Gumshoe wasn't at the trial, maybe he just discovered it too late. I don't think Maggey would have contact with Gumshoe in a prison cell. Yes, i do realise Gumshoe has a phone, but i just think Maggey didn't know his phone number.
But, another thing is strange about this, because Gumshoe brought a NEWSPAPER ARTICLE not a Police Document or something. If Gumshoe was looking through the Police Documents and saw Maggey getting convicted of murder, i think he would of brought the Police Document with him. Since he brought a newspaper article, it's probably because he saw it in the article. Why the newspaper article was outdated? Well maybe Gumshoe found the newspaper article on the ground or something. (Gumshoe is too poor to buy Newpaper maybe? Remember he once stated that "I'll be so poor that i won't even be able to buy instant noodles from the discount store!")
Uh... you people are talking about why Gumshoe took so long to yell at Phoenix about the Guilty verdict right?
But, another thing is strange about this, because Gumshoe brought a NEWSPAPER ARTICLE not a Police Document or something. If Gumshoe was looking through the Police Documents and saw Maggey getting convicted of murder, i think he would of brought the Police Document with him. Since he brought a newspaper article, it's probably because he saw it in the article. Why the newspaper article was outdated? Well maybe Gumshoe found the newspaper article on the ground or something. (Gumshoe is too poor to buy Newpaper maybe? Remember he once stated that "I'll be so poor that i won't even be able to buy instant noodles from the discount store!")
Uh... you people are talking about why Gumshoe took so long to yell at Phoenix about the Guilty verdict right?
Still you think that someone in the department would tell him. Like: Yo dude! I totally just arrested that chick you have the hots for!
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Also, there was no proof that Drew forged it he just said "hmm yes i forged it".
This is true, tho xD That got me mad. This is what I wanted...
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Gumshoe: "But I heard she and the boss of the Tender Lender are pretty tight." (in reference to Viola)
Maya: Tight?
Gumshoe: That's what it said in a file I read related to Maggey's case.
However, no one knew that Furio Tigre was at Tres Bien that day until the next day at court! Why would Tender Lender be mentioned at all? Even though Glen Elg had a loan from Tender Lender, at that time it was completely irrelevant to the case. Furthermore, even if it were mentioned, why would they go into details about the relationship between Viola and Tigre?
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FirexxxSaber wrote:
I just found another Cough-Up in Recipe for a Turnabout. (Man, tha case is riddled with them) He's a direct quote from the game:
Gumshoe: "But I heard she and the boss of the Tender Lender are pretty tight." (in reference to Viola)
Maya: Tight?
Gumshoe: That's what it said in a file I read related to Maggey's case.
However, no one knew that Furio Tigre was at Tres Bien that day until the next day at court! Why would Tender Lender be mentioned at all? Even though Glen Elg had a loan from Tender Lender, at that time it was completely irrelevant to the case. Furthermore, even if it were mentioned, why would they go into details about the relationship between Viola and Tigre?
Gumshoe: "But I heard she and the boss of the Tender Lender are pretty tight." (in reference to Viola)
Maya: Tight?
Gumshoe: That's what it said in a file I read related to Maggey's case.
However, no one knew that Furio Tigre was at Tres Bien that day until the next day at court! Why would Tender Lender be mentioned at all? Even though Glen Elg had a loan from Tender Lender, at that time it was completely irrelevant to the case. Furthermore, even if it were mentioned, why would they go into details about the relationship between Viola and Tigre?
It's not that strange at all that the police would have detailed files about Viola, but the fact that he claims it was in Maggey's casefile does make it rather strange...
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Joe Darke had been taken in for questioning that day.
We asked him to come in for questioning.
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Description: At the first trial, Desireé suddenly appears at the witness stand with the Ami Fey's urn and says she got this at Atmey's. But how she just got his address, guessed where the urn was - and more important: whom was the said urn?
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Name: Dessie knows too much
Type of cough-up: Inconsistancy
Location: 3-2
Description: At the first trial, Desireé suddenly appears at the witness stand with the Ami Fey's urn and says she got this at Atmey's. But how she just got his address, guessed where the urn was - and more important: whom was the said urn?
Type of cough-up: Inconsistancy
Location: 3-2
Description: At the first trial, Desireé suddenly appears at the witness stand with the Ami Fey's urn and says she got this at Atmey's. But how she just got his address, guessed where the urn was - and more important: whom was the said urn?
You seriously think Atmey wouldn't have his address listed!? He owns his own Agency, the "Atmey Detective Agency"! Any business would have its' own listings in any phone book or, considering how long his agency has been running, probably even a website!
Now, Desireé states that she pushed aside the secretary, and barged into the office. She looked around, and would've seen the fairly noticable bag on the table. She would've opened UP the bag, and seen the Urn.
If she knew she was looking for an URN, it's kind've obvious that she would've taken it... And before anyone starts, she could've easily learned about the Urn from any promotional poster for Lordly Tailor's Exhibition!
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And I think it's clear she must knew too about Ron being fired and a thief too.
Put up proof to show how she would've known those things, if you please?
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Vitor-Leal wrote:
Name: Dessie knows too much
Type of cough-up: Inconsistancy
Location: 3-2
Description: At the first trial, Desireé suddenly appears at the witness stand with the Ami Fey's urn and says she got this at Atmey's. But how she just got his address, guessed where the urn was - and more important: whom was the said urn?
Type of cough-up: Inconsistancy
Location: 3-2
Description: At the first trial, Desireé suddenly appears at the witness stand with the Ami Fey's urn and says she got this at Atmey's. But how she just got his address, guessed where the urn was - and more important: whom was the said urn?
You seriously think Atmey wouldn't have his address listed!? He owns his own Agency, the "Atmey Detective Agency"! Any business would have its' own listings in any phone book or, considering how long his agency has been running, probably even a website!
Okay, but how she just knew where to find the urn made me think.
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And I think it's clear she must knew too about Ron being fired and a thief too.
Put up proof to show how she would've known those things, if you please?
You want proof? Okay, if you please.
They are married at least for a year before 3-2. If Dessie don't knew, looking obviously at all the thief things - a "manual of how-to-do" included - and she not looked DeMasque's mask, blackmail letters, the four steal plans of Atmey's, the fact his workhours changed, and up to all of these the "I just knew where the urn was" moment.
Anyway, sorry Wrestle... I just don't remember exactly the lines, due to broken DS flash card and all. I don't want to start a arguing with a such great member you are.
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Wrestlemania wrote:
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And I think it's clear she must knew too about Ron being fired and a thief too.
Put up proof to show how she would've known those things, if you please?
You want proof? Okay, if you please.
They are married at least for a year before 3-2. If Dessie don't knew, looking obviously at all the thief things - a "manual of how-to-do" included - and she not looked DeMasque's mask, blackmail letters, the four steal plans of Atmey's, the fact his workhours changed, and up to all of these the "I just knew where the urn was" moment.
Anyway, sorry Wrestle... I just don't remember exactly the lines, due to broken DS flash card and all. I don't want to start a arguing with a such great member you are.
No problem, ese! I'm relatively easy going, aside from seeing the multiple visible gramatic errors, but those are minor.
Now then, I doubt that Ron would've kept EVERYTHING of his at his and Desireé's place... Also, she couldn't have known about him being DeMasque from the multiple items in the room, since she was unaware of the significance of them... She assumed he was a fan, and unfortunately, while that DOES seem like a ridiculous excuse, it's not able to be proven or disproven.
Regarding the plans, I would've thought that Ron would've made sure the letters were hidden or destroyed, so Desireé wouldn't know... the LAST letter was a different story: Atmey put it there himself, since that's the only way he would've known it was there instead of disposed of... And finally, I think Ron would've still kept his schedule as it used to be, so that Desireé wouldn't get suspicious... also, she wouldn't have had a reason to look it up... He left for work, he came home, he'd get paid. There was no reason to suspect a change in his "routine", even though there was no longer one.
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Type of cough-up: Alternate solution
Location: 3-1, Recipe for Turnabout
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Re: Phoenix Wright Cough Ups
Do that *schwing* thing you always do!
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Name: Dying Shooter
Type of cough-up: It's hard to explain here, just read the description.
Location: Chapter 4 of PW:AA, Yanni, "died", in the boat
Description: Didn't Yanni say that "he blasted a bullet into the water AND DROPPED OFF THE BOAT"? How is it possible that no-one noticed that THE GUILTY PARTY was the one to fall off the boat?
Re: Phoenix Wright Cough Ups
i feel pretty
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Location: Milton Keynes, England
Rank: Ace Attorney
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Posts: 5484
LocoRoo wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is already been asked or it's explained in the game, but...
Name: Dying Shooter
Type of cough-up: It's hard to explain here, just read the description.
Location: Chapter 4 of PW:AA, Yanni, "died", in the boat
Description: Didn't Yanni say that "he blasted a bullet into the water AND DROPPED OFF THE BOAT"? How is it possible that no-one noticed that THE GUILTY PARTY was the one to fall off the boat?
Name: Dying Shooter
Type of cough-up: It's hard to explain here, just read the description.
Location: Chapter 4 of PW:AA, Yanni, "died", in the boat
Description: Didn't Yanni say that "he blasted a bullet into the water AND DROPPED OFF THE BOAT"? How is it possible that no-one noticed that THE GUILTY PARTY was the one to fall off the boat?
Who would've noticed it? edgey was confused as hell, Lotta didn't see it clearly... so why is this a cough-up?
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